Well, after Parts 1 and 2, 3 and 4 of Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse‘s (of the Ruth Institute) lecture on ““Making the case for Traditional Marriage for New Hampshire“, she said she would have a 20 minute Question and Answer period. In fact, however, it went far longer than that and some interesting questions were … Read more
Well, Dr. Jennifer (as we used to call her – she was a frequent guest of our’s on our Meet The New Press redio show a few years ago) wasn’t done with just Parts 1 and 2 – she had 2 more to go! She goes into detail of comparing traditional marriage of one woman and one spouse with gay marriage:
Part 3:
Part 4 is after the jump
On the same email thread that NH State Senator Ray White’s missive came from came this question:
Not sure why we’re wasting time and political capital on this issue, this year (an election year for God’s sake)…with an almost 100% certainty of a Lynch veto and failure to override…
At first blush, the intent behind the question was correct – the economic issues SHOULD be front forward. I even started off with that thought….and then it hit me: why should we cede all the social issues to the Democrat / Progressives / Liberals? To the Secular Humanists? Why should their morality become public law – why should their’s trump mine (which is far close if not, indeed, traditional American in outlook? The HHS insurance mandate now roiling America’s religious community is a great (and horrific) example of this – Progressives believing that Government has the legal right to so narrowly define what a church is that it can, out of whole cloth, strip their ministries from being “religious” ones to being secular by fiat decision. And then force those newly re-classified secular (formerly religious) organizations to obey Governmental restrictions instead of being accountable to religious ones.
My answer (lightly edited, names redacted):
My take: I, too, would rather see more changes on the economic issues simply if not to allow Democrats to demagogue the “why aren’t you concentrating on jobs like you promised?” (even as Enterasys just moved 540 jobs into NH).
However, there is also the “walk and chew gum” at the same time argument. Thus, I look at this from this perspective – the Republicans did not start the culture wars – the social engineering in recent years has been all Democrat based. We need Republicans to point this out over and over and over and over again (and with better messaging than what has been done to date, I might add).
WHY would we, why SHOULD we, cede the culture war to the Progressives? WHY should we just give up the social engineering side of the war?
Guest post by NH State Senator Ray White on HB437 (the bill to repeal homosexual marriage here in NH):
My email is running 10-1 against the marriage bill. When I get those emails, here is my response, which usually gets me a very ugly, hateful reply:
“Unfortunately, I have to disagree with your email. I must state up front that I am against same-sex marriage, civil unions, or any other relationship that is not traditional marriage as it was understood for the entire history of the human race, at least until the last few years.
Marriage is a special institution that all previous generations understood to be between a man and a woman. There has never been a society, a culture, a country, or a people that defined it any differently until very recent history. Although the argument has been made that my viewpoint is a religious understanding of marriage, the fact of the matter is that even so-called “pagan” or other types of nonreligious cultures have also agreed on this definition throughout history. This is because marriage is about the fundamental building block of society, and it has always been understood as so, regardless of religious beliefs.
It has been only in recent years that the notion has been put forth that marriage needs to be redefined and broadened. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is unbelievable that after thousands and thousands of years of human history, that we think we can turn our backs on this fundamental truth and still prosper as a society. It is complete hubris to believe that we are smarter than the billions upon billions of people who have gone before us. I refuse to subscribe to this thinking. I reject the notion that this type of thinking is discriminatory. It is simply a factual clearheaded statement of right and wrong.
I believe that the breakdown of the traditional family has been a huge detriment to society, producing incredible social ills that government now finds itself unsuccessfully wrestling with to correct and mitigate. It began several decades ago with the general acceptance of divorce, and has proceeded to the general acceptance of producing children without the benefit of marriage and commitment, where fathers are now optional sperm donors, and now to the topic we find ourselves discussing in this e-mail. It is no coincidence that everything I am describing has happened simultaneously, i.e. the rethinking and redefinition of marriage and the social crumbling of society at large.
He reads some of the explicit testimony from Prop 8 proponents in how achieving gay marriage will radically change the institution of marriage to simply being a sexual choice between adults. Kids? Not so much…. (H/T: The Corner)
HB 1264, sponsored by Representatives Jerry Bergevin of Manchester and Frank Sapareto of Derry met with a firestorm of opposition from the Gay Community along with religious and civil rights groups mouthpieces. The Union Leader intriguingly, made this a gay/straight issue through the context of their reporting, despite nothing in the bill making any direct (or even indirect) reference to any group respectively.
Note to the world: even if one of my three children turns out to be a homosexual–and no I will not love or care for them any less if they do–I still would not publicly prostitute myself and my principles to the progressive agenda. NHGOP Area 3 Vice Chair J.P. Marzullo, on the other hand, does not have a problem with that. And it is not so much the topic that suggests a progressive thread in the fabric of his otherwise pro-liberty, family values life, as it is the way in he attempts to make his argument.
The vehicle is a November 1st editorial in the Concord monitor in which Marzullo pokes at our ‘Tiny Tim’ gland, pleading with New Hampshire Republican legislators to vote against any change in New Hampshire’s current homosexual marriage law. And like any seasoned social justice Democrat, we get both barrels from the empathy gun. How God was showing him his own personal need to be more understanding and tolerant nineteen years ago. He provides suicide estimates for gay teenagers (I have no idea why). He fingers divorce as a greater danger to the family than Gay marriage (without reminding you that similar left wing social engineering and meddling in ‘marriage’ is almost entirely responsible for the divorce problem). We even get the ‘Gay Americans are legal citizens and productive members of society who fight in the military" routine.
Democrat Chairman Ray Buckley could have wrote this. So has JP come out of the progressive closet?
Tim Gill won’t be happy. He and Political Outgiving have been pouring money into Maryland and the pockets of its governor, Martin O’Malley, O’Malley was one of Tim Gill’s special guests at last years secret gathering along with our own governor John Lynch. The goal was, as it was in New Hampshire, to buy up local politicians at the state house level and ensure the governor of finanaical support to pass same sex marriage.
Question: If refusing to let one man “marry” another man violates his or their ‘civil rights’ then why is it not a violation of said same civil rights to then refuse to let one or both of them marry a second, third or forth man?
Blogging can be a weird hobby. You never know when something you’ve planted will grow and bear fruit. But back on May 28th of 2010 I planted this seed. It was about Mr. Lynch going to the Political OutGiving conference. In the intervening months I planted a few more, here, and here, and here. There … Read more
Target donated money to a pro business PAC, which donated money to a Minnesota Candidate that makes the Gay activists less than merry. (Can’t exactly say less gay can I?). And since the "x degrees of fiscal separation" rule is only relevant to anything to the right of Trotsky, the Gender Confusion Corps (pronounced "corpse") has taken it to Target with a vengeance.
(I hope they are not upset with me but I spent close to $1000.00 dollars at Target this week but if it helps I had a coupon. )
Anyway, in their quest to draw attention to the complex nature of the gender paradox they have managed to make collective fools out of their collectivist selves. At the end of a video in which they answer once and for all the age old question of whether people really do just burst into coordinated song and dance in public places like they do in the Musicals, we are treated to large type with the words "Stop Trying To Buy Elections," (see it on the jump) to which I must respond, only if you stop first.
All you folks (regardless of your sexual disorientation) who’ve gone and gotten yourselves hitched by a JP or someone else who performs a legitimate civil union just got hosed by one federal judge in Northern California. According to him, you’re not married. That’s right, civil unions are not marriages. (That is to say, they are not contractually equivalent.)
It will get appealed for good reason, and it has no affect anywhere else, but you know how the left likes to think of every little thing some elitist radical judge does as a sign of whatever it is they want that no one else wants. It’s the beginning of a transformation of the culture. Actually it’s not.
John Lynch has a lot in common with governor Chet Culver of Ohio. Chet said he would protect marriage as between a man and a woman and then Chet got all squishy. Then he stood by and let the courts define marriage for him. Want to know some other interesting coincidences? Chet was receiving money from … Read more
The Union leader is reporting this morning that a US judge in Boston has found DOMA, the Federal Defense of Marriage Act, to be unconstitutional on the grounds that it prevents the state from administering federal aid to gay married couples. His ruling only affects Massachusetts but clearly has broader implications. I both agree … Read more
(Note: This was originally posted on May 28th at NH Insider. It is being re-posted here as an encore presentation, by request.)
John Lynch Goes Gay (Sort Of)
The Ray and Kathy Show has this gag they do all the time where they complain about outside money or special interests on the right affecting local elections. It’s a serious gas because everyone knows it’s actually a projection upon others of their own involvement with deep-pocketed outside interests with which they then exert pressure upon the local worker bees doing the Yeoman’s work at hiding their radical left wing agenda. But they think it works so we try to play along. Case in point: Governor John “Liar” Lynch was recently taken to task for saying one thing and doing another on the not uncontroversial subject of same sex marriage. Lynch flip flopped and plenty of us asked if someone put the thumb screws on our diminutive chief executive.
No, no. Lynch is his own man concerned about equality and civil rights, Blah blah blah.
Enter into the debate this article by Lou Chibbaro Jr. from The Washington Blade, which bills itself as "the lgbtq community resource." The article is titled, “Rare Peek behind closed doors of secret gay donor confab.” In the article Lou Chibbaro jr reveals for us the internal happenings at an event on May 15th to May 16th (just two weeks ago). It’s was..
A Blue Hampshire followup to this saga…
While I agree that Bob should have stopped digging, and should have extended the lessons I explain below, the BlueHampshire comment-squad goes off the rails (again), taking this story away from it’s main point.
Some of the commentators try to paint the Tea Party as "holding itself together", as long as we can "identify enemies". And, as "soon as one of them comes up with a proactive plan to close the deficit, they will incur the wrath of 75% of them who will disagree with the plan." – this is such an invalid, emotional statement, typical of liberals these days who will ridicule anything they can get their hands on, realizing they are in for a pending ballot-beatdown.
I was at the John Burt Gubernatorial debate last night, in Manchester, where 4 very different (Republican) candidates spoke, disagreed, and even acknowledged agreement, in front of an audience that was as disparate as they were.
In the end, the entire audience came together, on their feet, cheering, to send Gov. Lynch this message: "regardless of which candidate here wins the Republican primary, we are looking at the next governor of New Hampshire." And this is so, so true.
I wish I could build a composite candidate, using their best qualities. Each has a distinct set of skills that differentiate them from the others, and all are qualified to lead the Conservative revolution next year. One is bombastic, another inspiring, another compassionate and another deliberate. All have proven to be superb thinkers and doers. Yet, despite the candidate-aligned factions within the audience, and in the Conservative community, we WILL be together on September 15th, coming with great fervor, to right this State and our Country.
Criticisms of Giuda, Bass, or any other candidate are our internal filtration process, ensuring that the best people come out of the Primary, to deliver said beat-down on November 2nd.
The Tea Party/912/Conservative community is passionate, patriotic and as diverse as the 4 candidates last night. We argue, debate and posit.
Consider how Steel is made: You start with Iron, an ore consisting mainly of carbon, found commonly on the planet (an American). You add other, diverse elements, such as Magnesium, Chromium, and Tungsten (Morality, Constitutional awareness, Patriotism). These diverse elements cause the core carbon to strengthen its form, a lattice, all stronger together than alone. Varying the quantities of the elements control the qualities of the steel, such as hardness, and strength (experimenting, filtering).
The component elements are combined, heated, then cooled. Cooling creates a "re-crystalization" process, yielding Steel. The Political Primary process (now), is the heating, filtering, and combining phase. Once the primary ends, the cooling and re-crystalization will take place, yielding steel, which will not be easily broken.
…there are plenty of conservative heretics shifting boundaries and public opinion about the role of government. Fergus just doesn’t seem to see it.
The Ray and Kathy Show has this gag they do all the time, where they complain about outside money, or special interests on the right affecting local elections. It’s a serious gas because everyone knows it’s actually a projection of their own involvement with deep pocketed outside interests with which they exert pressure upon the local … Read more
The NHDP has it’s panties in a bunch about an ad campaign claiming governor Lynch is a liar on the issue of same sex marriage. This is to be expected from a party that sold spendocrat Jeff Goley as a small government anti-tax champion. The analysis of this question is relatively simple. John Lynch said he … Read more
I live in Merrimack so I got to vote today. As I approached the polls there was a small knot of young people holding handmade signs. I’m always excited to see people who look to young to vote being politically active so I was curious about who or what they are supporting. The signs either … Read more