When the other side resorts and is left only with ad hominem retorts, it’s a WIN! Especially as you remain cool, collected, and drawing merely on foundational principles via example.
“…you as the rightwing nutjob you are, filled with hate you come here to harass people making the world better”
They can’t continue except by sputtering. The technique is to change the nature of the debate from theirs to ours. It’s easy – as long as you’ve done your homework.
And everyone else at that Treehugger post was watching.
Continuing on with the “Marxism via ‘Carbon Equity'” in that the end result, as with any argument based on achieving “equality” ends up in “shared misery”. But it’s still Marxism – merely wrapped up in different wording as “Economic Class Struggle” was such a bust here in America. So, they switched gears to Racism and “Equity” of all types, and at Treehugger, its “Carbon Equity.”
The translation is that you can only use as much energy as anyone else – no more. The ruse is the “1.5-degree lifestyle” in that you WILL be made to live in misery to keep the Earth from rising 1.5 degrees Centigrade which is the tipping point for Climate Apocalypse.
Of COURSE, the only solution, per any Progressive heartache, is more Government. Freedom of Choice to live one’s life according to themselves (“…pursuit of Happiness”) is a thing of the past. Or should be. Except there those of us dissenting from this Socialist Conventional Wisdom.
So, back to Bill again who says that ANYONE that does better than others, that has succeeded better than others, have to PAY for their Collective-ignoring insolence:
Or fining those gluttons that make other’s life hard, expensive, they need to pay for the damages they do.
As with Mao’s and Lenin’s Communist revolutions, the Rich (or even middle class), MUST be made to pay – WE can’t be responsible for our state of being, can we? SOMEONE ELSE always has to be responsible. Given that Walmart is always a target, I figured I throw that out and raise some folks blood pressure. It worked:
So the Waltons (who started Walmart) got rich by making ordinary peoples’ lives HARDER and more EXPENSIVE? I’ll wait right here for your stats on THAT supposition. How about Steve Jobs making computing (along with IBM) more “equitable” for the masses? Or creating new technologies that made a lot of folks lives more fun?
I dryly note that even just these two example, people VOLUNTARILY spent their dollars for products they believe gave them more value for those dollars.
I also dryly note that the eco-socialists only wish to take others’ “excess wealth” away from them with no value add.
And the following was meant to get the howling mob barking and drooling with madness.
So which set of people is more selfish? Those willing to trade or those actively putting more meaning and truth into the phrase “Taxation is Theft”?
It worked, too – one bit on the hook. Hard:
Yes they did. They came in and killed local stores with low prices then jacked them up. They shipped likely 300k jobs to China and mostly sell Chinese crap. Great example.
And just what did I say that stops either? Are you that dense? That was rhetorical .
They need to pay the full cost of their actions, no? Just like those who pollute.
Helping the poor creates wealth too and increases the market as they have money and can get a job, a place to live is better for everyone including those you mentioned.
Fact is you think taxes are great and have provided you with a decent country to live, make money in. No? So you lie off the bat.
Fact is you are only arguing the amount, no?
Or you think we can live well without them?
The selfish ones are those who foist their costs on others and they must pay. You’d be pissed if someone crashed into you and didn’t pay wouldn’t you?
What is the difference between that and FF companies poisoning us loosing 1.7yr of life US average? And rich people make far more pollution. Details you don’t let bother you as the rightwing nutjob you are, filled with hate you come here to harass people making the world better.
And you can’t stand that can you? Why?
And so starts a longer opening for me to make sport of his arguments – sparse that they were. In fact, it didn’t take long for him to run out because I took each of his points, one by one. And that’s the other think – treat every point on its own. To often, they spew a word salad and hope that it’s too much to handle for their opposition.
While I’m not going to do all of them now, here’s the first one – and actually, the less important of them all:
Yes they did. They came in and killed local stores with low prices then jacked them up.
It’s called competition. Remember, Walton started with a single store, gave his customers great value, and people voluntarily gave him money.
Then he did for retail logistics what Ford did for the automobile assembly line: highly increased efficiency and productivity. That lowered costs and increased profits even as prices went down.
That’s just plain competition. They outcompeted all the others semi- and Big Box stores (remember KMart? Sears is on its way out, too).
Creative destruction. And my friends work at Walmart. And Lowes as well. And there STILL are small mom and pops here who learned that they could still outcompete the Big Boxes especially when it comes to customer service – and I use them as well.
They shipped likely 300k jobs to China and mostly sell Chinese crap.
The likely part that you assume that Walmart shipped overseas remains to be proven. Hard for you to pick out given that US Administrations and States made going offshore because of higher taxes and work Law and regulations made it easy to go there.
Just like how California is killing itself by slow roasting businesses that have gotten the message and moving lock stock and barrel to more biz friendly States.
And to his point, again, of outsourcing to China
And Walmart is paying the price as they can’t keep their stores stocked. My local one often has long lines of shelving unites as their “China made” is nowhere to be found.
So much for their profits. And my local store is far from being the only one. They made a bet that’s now a losing one.
To be continued as I was just starting to wind up…
