Lloyd’s been on a roll/rant about Trump and the tariffs he threatened to put on Canada, wailing and decrying what it was going to do to HIS country’s economy – economic Armageddon. He’s also been on a kick about Degrowth – the far Left Eco-Socialism fantasy that we can kill off 7 billion people and regress the remaining two to an agrarian society with no decrease in modernity.
Try to square that circle, but it certainly falls into what the Davos/WEF leaders want and demand. The UN is the ever-faithful wingman, thinking, “NOW we will get the chance to become the One World Government that we’ve always wanted!” and going along with it.
With that in mind, I decided (if I am to be truthful), to use both of his opposing views against him and do a wee bit of trolling to see if he’d pick up on his own hypocrisy (emphasis mine):
“This will raise prices in the USA, hurting American citizens, and it will destroy demand for Canadian products, hurting Canadian citizens. It is likely that the Canadian Loonie will sink and unemployment will rise, causing economic hardship across the country.”
You know, Lloyd, upon reflecting on this, let me totally agree with the dismay you must have felt in writing that. However, and in fact by hearkening back to a lot of what you have been writing about lately (as well as a number of CC commenters), I thought that you would have been overjoyed!
No, I’m not trying to make sport of your words – merely recalling them. While it is true that you despise Trump, I think you ought to be thanking him. Why?
IF his original 25% tariffs are enforced (which I highly doubt) and the second set on steel and aluminum (on lots of countries and not just Canada), it may bring your country into line with your stated desire. What is that?
Degrowth.
Less industry, a smaller economy, less manufacturing, less trade, less emissions, fewer people; everything that you say should be a global good if Degrowth does indeed becomes a reality.
Sure, Germany is doing it to itself right now. However, Trump may not ever enforce those tariffs (although today he said he may be implementing reciprocal tariffs -matching other countries’ tariffs on our goods on theirs). But if he does, I still don’t think it would ruin Canada but it might experience some level of Degrowth.
If it does, it will start Canada down the road that you have advocated for a while – and leading by example to boot. Taking the moral high ground, as it were.
And given what he told us both (again, see above post title), I expected to get banned for good given I was pointing out that he was speaking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. But, don’t a lot of Progressives do it all the time? And like most Progressives, I was expecting El Rant Supremo from him.
Well, surprise, surprise:
I think the main reason I have not blocked you a thousand times is that you are often provocative and interesting, and you have a point here about degrowth.
But this is all different. This is turning in to war. Everyone in the states says he is just talking, but people here don’t see that. They are getting ready to fight. https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/02/13/Do-Not-Test-Us-Trump/
Well, I really wasn’t expecting that “praise”, especially since it was at his expense. But it was about his own words that have been amply recorded in his posts. Basically, I told him to tell his friends to simmer down:
…Back to your last point: no, it will not result in war and tell your friends it won’t.
“but people here don’t see that” – that’s because most “normal” people don’t follow politics closely enough – if at all. And even most Americans haven’t studied Trump closely enough (especially those on the Left that are losing their danged minds). While he isn’t my main concern, I watched him closely in his first term. No, I am no expert on him and can get surprised by him but having studied politics for almost 20 years, I can tell you that he’s not going to start a military war with Canada. Tell your friends to simmer down and LEARN how he operates.
And I went to the link he presented and the tore it apart afterwards.
But I was still surprised given how much he has made it clear that I am often on his “Z list”.
So (rubbing hands in glee at what may happen next) – who says that blogging can’t be amusing?
