On A Path To Less Government or More?

by Steve MacDonald

Mind if I smoke a doobie - medical marijuana in New Hampshire

Maggie Hassan says she’d consider supporting Medical Marijuana

Newsmax reports that New Hampshire’s new governor (gag!) Maggie Hassan is open to the idea of legalizing Marijuana.

Pro-pot advocates in New Hampshire are excited about the possibilities.

Medical marijuana, the gateway-drug -policy to broader decriminalization efforts, is generally considered to be an issue with bi-partisan support.  Supporters of legalization at any and every level have also long insisted that the cost to taxpayers of policing pot is excessive.   But when the new governor (gag!) says ‘yeah, we’ll seriously consider support for the right bill’ while some folks are getting ready to pass the big fat doobie, I’m asking myself….”If New Hampshire Democrats are really interested does legal pot in any form put us on a path to more government or less?

Any Democrat approved plan will include licensing, lots of regulations, fees or taxes, and some manner of bureaucracy to manage it all.  But don’t think for one minute that the existing load of lick-spittle paper pushers will be adequate.  Some number of new state (union) employees, complete with new salaries and pensions will be a staple with zero offsetting reductions in the fixed costs associated with the law enforcement side.   In fact, I would calculate that additional law enforcement will be requested sooner or later to deal with “enforcement issues” as the interpretation of the word “medical” (legislated or otherwise) expands to achieve new definition.

I think the greater question is not if we should embrace medical marijuana and take our first step on the yellow brick road to the real goal of decriminalization, it is whether or not the left has discovered that it can build an even bigger and more intrusive (and expensive) bureaucracy by pretending to give a damn about medical marijuana?

Might we be taking one step forward and three steps back?

Is there any actual unbiased data out there that suggests the path to legalizing pot results in less money spent by the government in total?  Are states that bureaucratize legalized forms of marijuana use seeing their law enforcement budgets declining?  What if we are just shuffling the deck and stacking it in favor of more government in the process?

Pursuing perceived liberties is great, I am a big fan of that, and as far as I’m concerned you can smoke it if you’ve got it, but if we do not fully accept the real long term (potential) costs associated with “winning” that perceived liberty then we are only fooling ourselves.  Which is why I question any issue Democrats are willing to embrace in any majority, and any issue our new governor (gag!) Maggie Hassan is willing to consider.

Now maybe, somewhere, there is some evidence.  Maybe we could spend less on government.  Maybe policing costs go down.  Maybe that risk is worth the relief to those who are truly (madly, deeply) in need of it, that is after all one reasonable purpose of government.  And I don’t want you to think I’m denying people a substance that brings genuine relief, but is this the pursuit of personal liberty or a Faustian bargain with the left in exchange for an incremental move that favors the larger decriminalization community agenda?

It will not be decriminalized and deregulated, it will be regulated, managed, and enforced, with rules established by New Hampshire Democrats and a few progressive Republicans, and signed into law by Maggie ‘The Red’ Hassan.

So would this give us less government or a whole lot more?

 

 

Note: The Newsmax article misidentifis John Lynch (who vetoed the last medical marijuana bill) as a Republican.  (I emailed them about the error already)

 

 

 

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  • Tim from Nashua

    The gaping maw of the Tax & Spenders must be fed. Stoners just want their weed.
    DemocRats just want more money and power. A match made in Hell.

  • C. dog e. doG

    Steve –
    Why not co-opt the potheads en masse (see that infusion of French thing … Bam!) from the Jackasses by having Elephants introduce legislation to legalize this silly herb without medical charades? And do so using it as a wedge to drive in the greater good of diversity, choice, and unicorns for more than just the ruling class elites like Magpie Hassan: school options for the masses? End result: less of Nanny’s BFA in the Grate State of New Hamsters, not more. Do you think the rodents are ready for such a big step, or do we just endlessly vacillate about just the right/left amount of taxes on cigs and beer?
    – C. dog shredding frumpy sensibilities to raise Lady Liberty’s hemline

    • nhsteve

      I hope someone does (even if it is just for the PR) but we have to be realistic; In a Norelli House no Republican legislation that does not look like Democrat legislation will find sure footing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1483421029 Jason Howard

    Didn’t the Republican House pass a Medical Marijuana bill, but the Democratic Gov. Lynch veto it?

    • nhsteve

      That was just a pipe dream. Actually, I think you have it right.

  • Guest

    The whole idea of making drugs illegal is part of the nanny state philosophy. That adults are not allowed to make personal choices for themselves. Republicans need to understand that. I won’t say that Liberals do, but if Conservatives want to have credibility with their flag waving and chanting freedom they can’t at the same time deny people the freedom to decide what does and does not go in their own body. If one does not have the right to decide what goes in your own body, then you do not own it, the State does. I would hope that would be something every Conservative would be against, because the implications are not good otherwise. We can not stand against dangerous liberal nanny state ideas if we have already conceded the argument on principals.

    • granitegrok

      As Steve points out, there is always a fiscal cost to social issues (to point, a Liberty issue). Maybe a bit too quick on the hair trigger, but I don’t want any more of my fiscal being hoovered out of my wallet because of a new social ill. I have no problem in an adult ingesting what they wish – but say in the case of bad smack and a REAL serious addiction, I’m not grooving to having to pick up the welfare tab of the addict’s family.

      Which, then, is the greater Liberty? The ability to act for oneself? That is a greater Liberty, to be sure. To be unshackled from the consequence of such? Even greater Liberty, some might think. But when the cost of that bad consequence is laid upon others because of the forced “charity” demanded by Statists, where is the Liberty in that?

      When there is little sense of self-responsibility, or ownership of the responsibility of one’s own, there is less Liberty for others.

      • C. dog e. doG

        Libertarian leaning? Seems like you are a stout, vertical beam in good standing! Freedom of speech merely enables the monkeys to prattle and rattle about their cage. Freedom of the pocketbook enables a sentient being to live as they wish within their means, and guns to enforce it. There is no liberty unless individuals incur the consequences of their actions, otherwise the shackle others, and in so doing, end the state of liberty. Why, it’s kinda like an ecosystem.
        – C. dog cross-linking again

      • Sam Adams

        Can I ask a question? If NH is going to craft legislation for pot,could they include in it farming of hemp and production of by-products. We spend as a country far over 1 billion $$ importing hemp made products from Canada. Hemp doesnt have to be cultivated like other farm products do, and it mostly grows like a weed[haha], and grows wild. Markets could open up locally and statewide, canvas, rope, specialty paper, oils, natural healing herbs, flags, tea-shirts, sweaters, cloth and the like. NH could start a billion $$ economy just from this product.

    • nhsteve

      Conservatism bases its relationship wth liberty on a fixed understanding of human weakness and historical prescendent. If we were angels we would not need government. We are not, and angels are not even much in favor these days. Government is here as a replacement and more people than should look to give it the power to oversee us in our daily endeavours. Failing to ask “at what cost” is how we got where we are. So if letting you put stuff in your body just ‘casue you feel like it ends up costing us more in taxes, then it is not a personal freedom it is a redistribution of weath and power.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1483421029 Jason Howard

    The whole idea of making drugs illegal is part of the nanny state
    philosophy. That adults are not allowed to make personal choices for
    themselves. Republicans need to understand that. I won’t say that
    Liberals do, but if Conservatives want to have credibility with their
    flag waving and chanting freedom they can’t at the same time deny people
    the freedom to decide what does and does not go in their own body. If
    one does not have the right to decide what goes in your own body, then
    you do not own it, the State does. I would hope that would be something
    every Conservative would be against, because the implications are not
    good otherwise. We can not stand against dangerous liberal nanny state
    ideas if we have already conceded the argument on principle.

    • C. dog e. doG

      And to make sure people own their decisions, make sure a personal responsibility waiver goes with any drug freeing legislation. That oughtta bring down the insurance rates a tad, especially when applied to existing legal recreation drugs.
      – C. dog keepin’ it realpolitik

      • Chris P. Bacon

        Hey Dogster, some of the Tree Huggies are lamenting our departure. Seems we had some fans. The comments follow a story on shipping containers. go figure, what are the chances of that?

        • Luke

          I’ll tell you what Chris, the comment sections aren’t nearly as long (or interesting!) before all of you departed!

          Milburn, interestingly enough, has stayed completely silent. Probably biding his time until 2016.

          • Chris P. Bacon

            Hey Dude, good to hear from you.

          • coati-boy

            Hey man – Lloyd’s even saying he misses the both of you. I’m doing my best to help fill the smart-ass void

          • Chris P. Bacon

            i have been watching. You are doing an admiral job :) I used to go there for months before i started commenting as Mr Dog made me laugh and then i would go away. It sure isn’t the same without his input. Other then you and Joe and a couple of others, it’s like a bunch of sheep. I think if i wanted to explain the human experience to an allien and i could only do it with one book and one record, Animal Farm, and Animals would be the ones i would use. When i am listening and watching the goings on at TH i am always seeing and hearing things that remind me of those two.

          • C. dog e. doG

            Fire often, and with panache!
            – C. dog

          • coati-boy

            I saw your comment in my e-mail and for a second there, I thought you were magically back!
            I don’t know if you’ve ever divulged this to anyone before, but I’d like to ask the meaning behind your nom de plume? Something about the dual nature of man, doG being God backwards?

          • C. dog e. doG

            Why, you’re the 1st to inquire, and are nibbling at more than the edges. I suspect you can get the rest of it with a moments contemplation, or two. Unfortunately, the bunker locale remains double-gnot secret:-)
            – C. dog

          • Luke

            “bunker locale”

            Somewhere in NH of course!

          • Chris P. Bacon

            i do actually miss you guys. i saw the story about “Dignity Village” and it really hit me hard, cuz i would actually have a serious comment for that one (first time for everything). I just reopened the doors to me Comm. General Contracting company down in Scottsdale just to do something like this. I live in a little tiny town of 26K in the mountains in BFE Arizona, and there are over 100 homeless kids!! i cannot fathom that. How in this country can a there be 100 homeless kids in a town of 26K that is more then half retirees? Anyway, i am trying to buy a piece of land and set up something like Dignity Village except i want to catch them young while there is still hope. i plan to raise a lot of our own food, and then get the kids trained and working for my sub contractors down in the valley (Phoenix). My subs are on board with it cuz i used to take in homeless people one at a time and get them jobs with my subs. It just seems like these homeless people once they are past their 20’s are so addicted to things and so hopeless, they have just given up. Anyway, life is full of oppertunities to expand our Christ or Buddha nature (or whatever your flavor) if we want. How cool.

            When i do good, i feel good.
            When i do bad, i feel bad.
            Therefore i will do more good then bad.
            Goodism is my religion.

            ————-chris p bacon——never right, but always trying :)

          • C. dog e. doG

            I’ve been actually doing some real things of late, like getting out doors to take advantage of this uncharacteristically enjoyable no-good November we’ve had this fall. I think your teach-real-kids real things approach is the way to go. No one wants to be a mid-level management suck-up in some faceless, eunuch office environ. Keep doing good, and questioning assumptions. The answer to your question about homeless kids likely touches many issues, starting with dysfunctional families, skools, and guvvy. (see what i did right there?).

            Keep focusing on your own game, it’s the only one you can finish… sort of.
            – C. dog rooting from his lair deep in the White Mtns of New Hamster

          • Chris P. Bacon

            Doing good, and helping others ( in a practical get up off you arse and put in a little effort) kinda way is all i have ever wanted to do. i always have, even giving all my toys every year to the Red Cross orphanage in Panama when i was little (was a good trade, we ended up getting me a little brother there that i could beat the hell out of). Now at 46 i realize the Pizza is more then half gone, and i want to do something on a little bigger scale before the morning comes where i don’t come down for eggs, toast, and crispy bacon. Thanks for the encouragement.

      • Luke

        I’m amazed to say this, but I totally agree with you C. dog! People should have to deal with their own stupidity and recklessness.

        What we need is a federal mandate that legalizes and decriminalizes cannabis wholly. Imagine how much money would be saved and how many prison cells freed.

        • Chris P. Bacon

          Problem is, weed is big business. The more busts DEA gets, the more $$ they get. That is why Hemp is still illegal even though it has none of the cannabinoids that get you high. You have a better chance of getting high from smoking marigolds (not saying i tried or anythning…hey, who you lookin’ at?) Anywho, a plant like hemp is illegal not cuz it’s bad or scawwy, but because there is tons of it growing like weeds everywhere and the DEA gets paid a lot of $$ to make it go away. New trucks, guns, helo’s, all to eriadicate a plant, that if left alone would actually do more to stop real MJ alive. If the DEA really wanted to put a dent in MJ, they would seed the country with hemp, because hemp would cross pollinate with the real Macoy and renders it…well…just no fun. Everyone would put their 3 stooges and cheech and chong videos back in storage and the price of cheetos would drop. It’s all a big game. Having been in the front lines trying to stop weed, i can say it is a massive waste of $$.

          • C. dog e. doG

            Don’t forget the other Nanny henchmen (women?) in the alphabet soup making hay out of hemp: BATF, FBI, Prison system, FDA, DoA, and Nanny knows how many more of her drawers in the bureaus. When do you think they will start cracking down on the wayward lil’ ole states crossing her on the mighty cannabis policy? Makes for sum interestin’ constitutional matters if that primary parchment had any teeth, instead of gummin’ tapioca in the old folks home.

            Remember my admonition: source your wayward medicine in deep, off the beaten-path canyons with a good source of H2O. Don’t worry about the CO2, there’s plenty of that coming from Air Force One as it flits above our grate nation.
            – C. dog buzzy with his late season harvests

          • Chris P. Bacon

            Classic stuff Dogster.

        • C. dog e. doG

          I think we just found a wrinkle in the liberty vortex! Luke and I agree on somefin’. What next, marriage vows returning to the churches from whence they came? Gee, at this rate, there wouldn’t be much left for Nanny to do.
          – C. dog finding uncommon ground where’er ‘e goes

          • Chris P. Bacon

            You and Luke could learn from each other for hours. Finding people to agree with never expands the mind. Every advancement made by this species has buried under its foundation, a disagreement/disagreeable person.

        • Chris P. Bacon

          Hey Lukester, how do you “follow” someone on disgusting? Now that i have been kicked off TH i want to be able to see what my favorite peoples are posting over there. i was going to ask C DOG but he doesn’t even have one of them there modern cameras. Even i gots one of them. It’s great, take the picture, it comes right out, and in 10 seconds you have a picture with colors and stuff. And as an ancillary bonus, when i sniff it, it makes me feel funny.

          • Luke

            Hi Chris, sorry for the late reply, the message somehow get into my spam folder. On TH, you have to click on their profile icon, which takes you to their profile page, and on the right, there should be a “Follow” button.

            Also, you can hover over their profile pic in the main comment section, a popup will appear, and in the bottom left of that pop up, there will be a Follow button.

            Disqus needs some sort of PM feature.

      • granitegrok

        Ad to that , C.Dog, that the waiver includes your immediate family needs, and I’d be closer to being an ok camper with this.

    • Chris P. Bacon

      It’s the same old same old Jason. People don’t hate Mary Jane, or Nascar, or guns, or vegetarianism…..they hate the kind of people who like those things. People just hate, the focus of their hate is transferred to something the people they hate do, so then they hate the activity.

      Most vegetarian pot heads, given a chance to blow the heck out of a 55 gallon drum with an AK would actually find it fun, and most of the people who think Nascar is stupid, have never been. I’ve been, it is stupid, so is blasting away with my AK, but lots of fun things are stupid. Likewise, most rednecks if they tried a little Mary Jane would probably fall in love with a vegetarian pizza if that was all there was around, and while high, could see just how dumb Nascar really is.

      Live and let live i say. Oh yeah, and don’t go away mad….just go away. (not you personally, i’m sure you’re swell)

      • C. dog e. doG

        Perhaps you’re an acquired taste, like a fine French whine?
        – C. dog LOL

      • granitegrok

        Not hate, Chris, just hate that the responsibility and the cost (in cases really gone haywire) is laid at the foot of my wallet and family. As a Conservative (with libertarian leanings), I understand and get the argument of unfettered Liberty – but how to keep malfeasance and Big Govt getting too close in yet another area of Society? It seems that everything has become a slippery slope; Life has become a game of all Chutes and few taking the harder Ladders – and that will end badly in a heap.

        • Chris P. Bacon

          It’s always been that way Sir Grok. Whether it started with our ancestors crawling out of a pool of primordial funk, or a great big Gig in the sky making us, or a combination of both, we have been in a difficult position and making a “wrong” decision ever since. Cain killed able cuz God wanted an animal sacrifice and Able gave him what he wanted, rather then Cains Vegan version. Wonder if God’s an Atkin’s fan? , Anywyay maybe we are here to learn lessons more then find answers, as the answer to one problem always seems to lead to a new problem. Maybe problems are not really problems. Maybe it’s the chutes that provides us with what we need to earn the front row seat in eternal bliss more then the ladders. You Sir Grok, sound like you have a lot of good answers, and i applaud you for that. There was a time when i thought i did too. i however was wrong and now am in search of good questions. I’m probably wrong about that too!!

    • nhsteve

      You clearly need to get a better grasp of conservatism. Let me give you an example. We accept that the state must protect all property so we are willing to exchange small freedoms for necessary government. We do this becasue human nature is inclined to seek its own best interests regardless of whose property it is and we agree that everyone has a right t their wn property.

      This premise applies to all aspects of society. Conservatism seeks a balance. We do not just assume everyone should be free to do whatever “as long as”…because we accept that human nature is more powerful that any devised morality or its expression through shared law.

  • Chris P. Bacon

    Hey, Chris P Bacon here, recently banned from TreeHugger. i don’t do politics but while looking for Mr. C dog happened upon this here article. Having lived in Nashua and Hollis briefly in this life of visiting and living in most of the Western Hemisphere, let me first say, there are few places that need to legalize weed more then New Hamsters. What else is there to do? Anyway, i smoked when i was a teenager but really havn’t for almost 30 years and did 4 years in the USCG chasing bad guys around the Gulf of Mehico one year and 3 years in New Orleans, so i am not a big fan of the Ganga, however, i am a huge fan of fweedom, so would like to see it legal.

    In my current abode of Arizona we have medical weed and i went down and got my card. took my USCG medical records which showed two severe head injuries (explains other issues too) and they gave me the big time okkee dokkee. I don’t smoke now really, but just got the card so i could give the Feds (of whom i was one) the one fingered high five.

    I have to say i thought the whole medical Mary Jane thing was just a scam for stonners, but going through the entire process showed me that about 50% of the people i came in contact with were in pain, and it helps.

    Then the story got personal. Two weeks ago my wife had surgery. they put her on pain killers and within a few days she was suicidal, something that has never happened to her before. Luckily she couldn’t lock and load anything in the armoury with one hand or i probably would have found her dead on the floor. That is how much of a wreck she was. The Doc tried other pain killers and after two days of ralphing and more suicidal thoughts i broke down and went downtown and bought an eighth. Well, i didn’t really buy it, i made a donation for a consultation and they gave me the “medicine”…whatever, sounds like slavers “rehoming” Africans in the south a couple of hundred years ago.

    Anyway, took it home, packed a little bowl i had bought on Amazon for $3 and in a matter of about 2 minutes she was fine and playing with her birds. I am now a believer. I don’t know how it works, but i know my wife will never take another pain med as long as she lives.

    • C. dog e. doG

      Compelling stuff, Mr. Crispy, once an individual face is put on this. Seems crazy that a quasi-state with a motto like “live free or die” is even debating this issue, but the hamsters are a fickle bunch up here. Freedom isn’t as freedom doesn’t. I personally recommend a more lung-friendly approach, say a brownie mix, or pancakes-for-potheads with hash browns.

      And kudos on your classic paperwork shuffle to get your Nanny permission slip. I chuckle in your general direction.
      – C. dog enjoying his globally warmed November without an assist from cannabis

      • Chris P. Bacon

        “I chuckle in your general direction”. You always make me laugh C. I love “Freedom isn’t as freedom doesn’t” i might actually put that on a t shirt if i can quote you. Beats my “FREEDOM (in bit letters) to be lied to about everything, always ( in small letters) ISN”T FREE (in big letters).

        Was talking to an ex marine helo pilot yesterday and he was wearing something that i knew was a tribute to fallen comrades and he told me he was 1 of 4 Marine transport helos shot down durring Grenada. He said the Army lost a lot more. We sadly shook our heads while commenting about how little the average citizen knows about what it’s government is doing. Having lived in Panama we then discussed the fiasco that happened there under the smarter Bush and all the innocent civilians slaughtered there, and did some more lamenting. It was funny. He had long hair and looked like he should be at Woodstock (although he is a very succesfull business owner), is a former Marine with a chest full of medals, and there i am, former Coast Guard with no medals and a high and tight haircut, and he was more of a hippie then i am.

        What a strange and interesting ride this is. What a strange and interesting species we are.

        Have a wonderful day good buddy.

        • C. dog e. doG

          Wait until this species starts tapping in to legal weed. Hold on to our horsies with no names, it’s going to be a wild and bumpy ride!
          – C. dog running after Wild Fire

    • CarlySue

      Hey wait, were you really banned from TH? (And, interestingly enough, somehow found this article through another friend’s FB post and was really tickled to see the whole crew was here…..)

      • Chris P. Bacon

        i was. it was my own fault. i think they could handle the fact that i am neither left nor right and question everything, even questioning everything, but sometimes i get a little carried away. i told a little story about a blonde, a convertable, and a trip across the country in a GEO Metro (it was mostly about gas mileage) back 20 years ago in my USCG days, but i focused a little to much on the stuff other then the fact that a GEO Metro got 50MPG 25 years ago.

        Then they had an article on Harvard and all i said in my post was: “iza not very smart and went to poor folk state schools, and i was able to get a transcript deeploma when i gradeeated, why doesn’t Harvard keep records of who goes there”?

        Right after those two i was gone. What does irritate me a little is how Bri-Guy gets to “write” stuff using the f bomb constantly and they put stuff in there about naked dudes on roller skates at farmers markets in SF, and the constant lambasting and degrading of those who don’t agree with them politically, but when i put a little sacksual inuendos in one of my posts, i get whacked. Doesn’t seem very tolerant. I make fun of both sides, and anyone really reading what i write can see i make fun of myself more then anyone.

        Anyway, it is nice to hear from you. Hopefully the Grokster is ok with taking in a refugee and doesn’t mind a few friends visiting. At least i can still get my dose of C DOG silliness and brilliance here :)

        Anyway, have a great day, and when you see something over there that you know i would make fun of, go ahead and post a smartazz remark and just end it with something about, “not my fault. just channeling the Bacon”

        See yah.

        • CarlySue

          Thanks. Well enjoy here.

        • granitegrok

          ” Hopefully the Grokster is ok with taking in a refugee and doesn’t mind a few friends visiting.”

          The door is open and the table is set. Feel free to comment; all I ask is to be mindful of the #1 (and pretty much, only) Rule – adult themes but kid friendly.

          I’ll also throw this out – I’m always open to guest posts on issues that we discuss here. No, you don’t have to agree with us, either – just be cogent and be willing to back it up.

          Consider the offer open to all from TH that have come to visit!

          -Skip
          co-founder, GraniteGrok (and commenter at TH as GraniteGrok)

          • C. dog e. doG

            And a most righteous dude! :-)
            – C. dog

          • granitegrok

            And y’all are allowed to let me know when I get a tad too “self-righteous” as well.

            Thank you, Most Esteemed Canine (after, ahem, my own GrokDogs)

    • coati-boy

      Hey favorite breakfast pork product,
      TH has a new sister site, Mother Nature News, with many of the same stories on it. Maybe you could get on there – it looks like virgin smart-ass territory! Think about it….we could be kings!!! :)

      • Chris P. Bacon

        i’ll twy white now.

        e fudd

      • Chris P. Bacon

        i checked it out. It looks like more BS and certainly uncharted and unspoiled ground for a smart arse to sink his plow into, but alas, i am actually glad TH gave me the big time boot, as i was wasting way too much time on there. There are so many cool things going on in the world, and reasons to be grateful, and so few of them are found in places like that. It was fun while it lasted though :)

      • Chris P. Bacon

        Loved your comment on the Brian Merchant “story” about Jan Brewer. What a DB. They must have some kind of an intership for kids that rode the short bus over there at TH.
        i too agreed with the Nimble Nimby for the first time in the story about lowering sperm counts in French men. I probably would have gone with something like: “it’s cuz their pansies”, but nimbys was good too :)

        • coati-boy

          thanks – have you noticed that the title changed 3 times already?
          I know that I waste way too much productive time on TH, but for me, it’s a nice way to connect to the rest of the world, and a reminder that there are other people with similar philosophies to mine. Facebook, I have learned the hard way, is NOT the forum to have philosophical discussions with those you disagree with! It’s interesting to talk to folks from NZ, Canada, Chile, etc – even some podunk place like Peyton, AZ.

          • Chris P. Bacon

            The part you mention about conecting with people all over is very cool. i am still glad they booted me though. i would get mad at myself for spending too much time and i would give it up for a few days and then i would go back but promise myself i would only look but not touch, then c dog would say something just too damn funny, or BM would “write” something so stupid i couldn’t resist. I think Facebook is evil, although i will use it before i hire someone. On your point about the name changes of titles, i have been on really early in the morning and seen such assinign stories and commented on them, and they would delete the entire story. the only way i would know i wasn’t dreaming was my comments would still appear on that place that stores the comments you made. Somehow they would still be there. Everyone is just trying to validate themselves by getting others to believe what they believe. It is and interesting species. Definately not the work of a serious artist. Goes with one of my home made t shirts….”Dear God, Nice work, ’til day six”. Course, it depends which version you go along with, Gen 1, or Gen 2. Somehow, the writer couldn’t get them to match.

          • Chris P. Bacon

            “Tiny little whip crack”….classic. i almost never visit TH anymore, but when i do, it’s just to see who you are almost irritating.

          • coati-boy

            Joseph is a tough one…..getting him to concede a point is pretty difficult. TH seems to be having a huge influx of one-timers…people whose profile says 1 comment, and then they never respond again. I really don’t understand why someone would bother to throw their 2 cents into the ring and then just bow out. It’s getting harder to have a rational discussion with anyone there besides Joseph and a few others. Picture a swinging pocket watch…..swinging….swinging……you will sign up again……

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