And yes, once again, I decide to weigh in. His opening remark – well, I can’t quote it from FB because he decided to take himself out of the thread and erased all traces of himself, but it started with someone asking the simple question of “Who for Republican Minority Leader in the NH House?”. Fortunately, I keep all my emails which now provides a nice little trail of breadcrumbs from the NH GOP Secretary on “Party Unity” and other sundry bon mots:
…I’m not a House member any more so its none of my business as to who Rep’s vote for but …
…If anyone wants my opinion about selecting a Minority Leader I would be glad to give it…off-line. This is an issue for House members, not the peanut gallery, the State Committee or anyone else.
And took a slap at a Libertarian leaning guy on that thread as well:
this is a conversation regarding Republican Leader not Libertarian Leader or do you have a recommendation for the Dem’s too. LoL!
And continued to state that one is “either a Republican or is a Libertarian…not both.”
Ah-hemm. Nobody else’s business as to who our “elected employees / representatives” vote for? And my impression about the “LoL!” was not so much the “Laugh”. My response ( translated from FB to be more bloggish and correctly some typo / grammer stupidities):
@Greg – this is NOT just a conversation for House members. The last time I looked, they represent US and they work for US, the voters. To say that this conversation does not apply is ludicrous and wrong-headed.
Also, Greg, as a Conservative, I find a lot of Libertarians much more in support of the Republican Platform and philosophy than many non-Libertarian Republicans (all, LOL! not withstanding). and work harder than most of the run of the mill Republicans in reducing the size, scope, and intrusiveness of Govt.
And why is that, @Greg – the Republican Libertarians / Conservatives / TEA Party / 9-12ers are much more aligned and wish to enforce a smaller, more limited, and less intrusive government (at all levels) than most “Establishment” Republicans? They actually believe in the platform and wish to see it implemented – as opposed to many in “The Establishment” that say the appropriate words and then ignore the follow through.
@Greg, by your very own words, you talk about having a unified party, then disdain a number of the factions within it. And as far as CSP is concerned, Guinta didn’t exactly cover himself in glory when in DC. The TEA and 9-12 Republicans worked HARD to get him elected in 2010 to do ONE THING – cut the spending. What did he do? He voted for both Continuing Resolutions (which raised spending) and the upped the Debt Limit (and raised spending again). The “vaunted” spending cuts that came along with them turned out to be another Democrat “Lucy’s Football”. Thus, Guinta screwed over a bunch of his base and he lost their enthusiasm to help out in 2012. So in no small amount, he did it to himself.
As far as Maggie and Obama? If the NH GOP wasn’t so lazy and ride the coattails of the Prez candidate every time, perhaps they could have been funding and building their own data CRM system to compete with what the Dems had. But no, the NH GOP Exec Board continues to outsource that responsibility. You guys made the bad decisions and NOW you want to lay that off on the Libertarians? Dumb, stupid, and again, lazy. If the NH GOP can’t beat them in the arena of ideas, or in the ground game (which, by dint of actual results, you didn’t win by enough), you deserved to lose. And I say that as a State Committee member (who has been saying this stuff since 2006 over and over and over again). We joke about the never ending campaigns here in NH – well, the Dems took it seriously after 2008 and the NH GOP just kept laughing. Who is laughing now, Greg? You’re on the Exec Board – you are part of the group that makes the decisions so you own the results. And pretty poor ones, regardless of intension or flowery words or hand-wringing. You know part of the reason why you got beat?? Buckley brought in over $2 million – and “one of our best Chairs evah” (according to Jim Foley, finance chair) brought in a whopping $200K. Spectacular results.
@Greg – your “observance” that one can’t be a Libertarian and a Republican at the same time? Tell that to the Republicans for Lynch. Or, in my town, Alida Milham – good Republican for years, I’m told. Stalwart Republican for years, I’m told. Well, look at her voting record in the House – there are plenty of Dems that vote more in line with the Republican Platform than she did. AND, when good Republicans were running for the House this year in our district, this GOOD Republican endorsed the Dem to ensure that the Repubs wouldn’t make it. So, Greg, if a “squish” to “Dem leaning/voting” “Repblican can be a “Good” Republican, then why can’t a Libertarian leaning person also be a good Republican?
So, I’ll ask you, Greg, what DOES it take to be a good Republican – just showing up? Not a snarky question – a serious one. What is a “loyal” Republican, what is a “good” republican? Given the results, these ARE the questions to be asked – and answered. From your position on the E-Board [The NH GOP Executive Board], what are those answers?
His first comeback was one of a rather dismissive attitude, based on my responses, as well as a non-answer. What would one expect from a lawyer?. It was also about the money as well. As the Knight Templar said in “Indiana Jones and the last Crusade”: “He chose poorly”
And Skip, full of questions and complaints but what did you do? How much money did you raise or donate to the Party or a Candidate to implement anything you suggested?
Well, it seems that he forgot why a LOT of Liberty and Freedom folks did why they didn’t:
The answer is elections have ramifications – and so do ousters. When Jack Kimball was elected, I gave to the moneybomb that the grassroots set up right afterwards. I had given to a number of candidates. After the ouster, I stopped – just like a LOT of other activists that felt screwed over. So the NH GOP lost me – the NH GOP E-Board’s decision had a very negative outcome as it told the TEA Party and 9-12ers and Libertarians “We neither want or need you”. You can debate it all you want, or argue against that, but that was the practical outcome of that decision. Instead, I put more into GraniteGrok (which is NOT free to run) to make it better – we do more advocating for values that are congruent with the Platform than anyone else on a constant, daily basis. We are, effectively, campaigning each and every day. There is NO ONE else in the NH Blogosphere that does more than GraniteGrok fighting against democratic progressivism – period. AND we all participate in political activism as well.
Oh, we’re not done with this – merely done with this post as it went longer than I thought – and there is more to say in Part II