100% of it. You earn it and watch Bernie’s IRS swoop in and take every last cent. He proves our point that the answer to the question of “Who’s money is it FIRST?” is that it isn’t the person that earned it. A reminder: I used to ask Bruce Currie, a past frequent commenter until … Read more
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Kudos for refusing to back down on your gun confiscation promises. And hey, the tone-deafness is impressive. Nearly every country has said they will not enforce any such laws and here you are, padding the corrections budget to incarcerate previously law-abiding gun owners who refuse to let you disarm them.
As Director of Legislation for the Women’s Defense League of NH, I contacted Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (DRGO) when the language for HB 687, “Extreme Risk Protection Orders”, was made public to learn whether there was any literature to support the bill’s premise that guns make people crazy. Over the course of several weeks, I’ve had a number of discussions with Dr. Robert Young, MD, editor of DRGO, who, in addition to being a psychiatrist practicing in Pittsford, NY, is also an associate clinical professor at the University of Rochester School of Medicine, and a Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. He was kind and concerned enough , once he reviewed the bill, to provide the following statement on behalf of DRGO, a statement I plan to hand carry to the hearing on Tuesday, March 5.
I am writing in response to your contacting DRGO for input regarding New Hampshire Extreme Risk Protection Order bill, HB 687 , to be heard on Tuesday March 5 by the New Hampshire House Committee on Criminal Justice and Public Safety.
You describe bill sponsors seeking to side-step stigmatizing persons suffering from mental illness as violent; instead, the bill actually blames firearms for inducing people to madness and harming themselves or others.
The language of your concern from the bill follows (emphasis yours ):
“159-E:3, Commencement of Proceedings; Hearing.
I A petitioner may seek relief under this chapter by filing a petition, in the county or district where the petitioner or respondent resides, alleging that the respondent poses a significant risk of causing bodily injury to himself or herself or others by having a firearm or any ammunition in his or her custody or control or by purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm or any ammunition.
II A petition for an extreme risk protection order shall:
(a) Be accompanied by a written affidavit, signed by the petitioner under oath. The affidavit shall contain specific factual allegations regarding the factors that give rise to petitioner’s belief that respondent poses a significant risk of causing bodily injury to himself or herself or others by having a firearm or any ammunition in his or her custody or control or by purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm or any ammunition.”
You point out that the parties seem focused on issues of due process, penalties for false allegations and opportunities for the eventual return of firearms and are ignoring this outrageous premise that inanimate objects will drive otherwise normal people to violence. Your position is that this bill would establish an obviously flawed basis for what is little more than an excuse for civilian disarmament, and request our testimony on it.
I provide the statement that follows on behalf of Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership:
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership is a nationwide advocacy and watchdog group that for the past 25 years has insisted that science be used objectively in matters affecting Americans’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. We teach what good science shows-that guns in responsible hands save lives, reduce injuries, and protect property by preventing violent crime.
First, please see DRGO’s statement on Protective Orders, along with our official position paper on “Firearm Confiscation due to Dangerousness”. Such laws are variously called “Gun Violence Restraining Orders”, “Emergency Risk Protection Orders”, “Red Flag Laws”, etc.
We do not approve of stigmatizing the mentally ill, and are concerned that they receive proper treatment whenever needed. Only about 4% of violence in society is attributable to (usually major) mental illness in perpetrators, but every person we identify as needing help for that or other reasons should have it.
DRGO supports the concept of trying to protect society from individuals identified as potentially dangerous to themselves or others. The problems arise in how to identify them, how to intervene, and how to ensure that both the complainant’s and the subject’s rights are protected. No “Red Flag” laws enacted so far ensure these adequately, and the proposed New Hampshire law is worse than most. At their core, confiscating people’s guns infringes both United States (Second Amendment) and New Hampshire (Article 2.-a) constitutions’ guaranteed firearm and other rights.
Identifying acutely dangerous individuals is fraught with uncertainty. The best reliability comes from in-person examinations by forensically trained psychiatrists, and their assessments are accurate only about 60% of the time for perhaps the subsequent 24 hours. (Note that 50% accuracy is random.) People who see something should say something, and unlike in Parkland, Florida, authorities should do the right thing. So lay people reporting concerns is desirable, and a court’s finding must precede legal action. But expert evaluation needs to be incorporated, which has not yet been required in any state’s ERPO law and is missing from NH HB 687.
Even expert evaluation can only identify likelihood of immediate dangerousness, and NH HB 687 leaves undefined how far into the future concern may lie. Neither does it specify what degree or type of “bodily harm” is actionable. None of this abides by American tradition that punishment (including deprivation of rights) may only be applied on conviction of a crime. This is unconstitutional “precrime” punishment for acts that are anticipated, but have not been committed.
Similarly, no ERPO law yet, including NH HB 687, provides for any, in U.S. Attorney General Barr’s words, “up front due process” (i.e, notification of the action to the subject with the right to representation by legal counsel and to confront the accuser) as guaranteed by the Fifth, Sixth and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Thereby, the Fourth Amendment’s guarantees of equal treatment and against unreasonable search and seizure are contravened. Like the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee that “the people’s right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”, the New Hampshire constitution guarantees that “All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.”
The very wording of NH HB 687 is objectionable and insulting to all New Hampshire gun owners, and is egregiously false: “that respondent poses a significant risk of causing bodily injury to himself or herself or others by having a firearm or any ammunition in his or her custody or control or by purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm or any ammunition.” The possession of a firearm or ammunition in no way creates “risk … to … self or others“.
There are well over 300 million firearms in civilian hands in the United States, in more than 40% of households. If “having a firearm” causes risk, how can it be that less than 0.005% of these guns and less than .01% of gun owners are involved in shootings each year? (These numbers include suicides, justified homicides, murders and accidents). In recent years, there have been from 86 to 132 shooting deaths annually in New Hampshire among its 1.3 million+ residents. That is a rate of less than 10 per 100,000, about our nation’s average. Shootings are not even in the top 15 causes of death in this country (though make up a portion of overall suicides and homicides, which fall into that list).
There must be a clear definition of the real reason for alleged dangerousness based in action or threat. Means need to be addressed, but are incidental to the proper purpose of an ERPO, which should be to protect people from dangerousness by any means. The proposed definition would justify confiscating firearms from anyone just because they possess them.
As with domestic violence restraining orders, it is appropriate to levy penalties for false reporting, which will undoubtedly occur with EPROs too. (NH HB 687 is concerning because making a false report would only be a misdemeanor offense, disproportionate to not complying with a gun confiscation order, which would be a felony.) But there is no equivalence in these two kinds of orders. No one has a right to be with someone who is afraid of him/her, and no Constitutional right is infringed by a domestic violence restraining order.
Any act or threat that would justify infringing a Constitutional right must be serious enough to fall into existing criminal and/or mental illness arenas, and should explicitly require criminal charges and/or commitment to psychiatric evaluation and treatment. This requirement is missing entirely in NH HB 687.
Executing EPROs is itself clearly dangerous, and puts both officers and subjects at risk. Recently in Maryland, a man was shot to death when he acted to defend against a home invasion, which was actually an EPRO secretly initiated by family. Their concern for him was realized, not by his initiating harm, but due to executing the EPRO.
EPROs as thus far imposed are extreme solutions to rare problems and may cause more harm than they prevent. They provide excuses for “Star Chamber” hearings that approve legalized “SWATting”. They are political window dressings to appear that someone is “doing something about gun violence.” Unfortunately, New Hampshire’s NH HB 687 is more of the same.
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The Village of Deerfield, Illinois has passed an ordinance requiring owners of so-called “assault weapons” and “large capacity” magazines to turn them in, destroy them, render inoperable, or remove them from the Village within 60 days or face fines up to $1000 for each offense.
If you do not turn in your illegal contraband or those fines aren’t paid, government enforcers (active duty law enforcement), who are of course exempt from this ban, will be sent to your house with their “assault weapons” to kidnap you and send you to jail, or kill you for resisting.
In response to one of my Scared Shurtleff posts, a reader sent me an email. In it, he writes “Recently Rep. Stephen Shurtleff, D, Merrick District 11, introduced HB 113’. He goes on to say “I find no comfort from Rep. Stephen Shurtleff’s self-centered approach to gun control, because he is exempt from his own … Read more
H/T The Looking Spoon
The George and Barack show!
Though I suspect this young lady is not.
…about that editorial….the girls over at www.icanhasacheeseburger.com said ‘Yo!’. H/T icanhascheeseburger.com