Most folks involved heavily in the Environmental movement always seem to give off this aura that they are the Holy Priests trying to restore the Holy Grounds that the rest of us have desanctified by not believing as they do.
That GAIA comes first, that we must sacrifice our wants, desires, and standards of living such that THEY will feel better about their missionary struggles. As well, I’ve watched them move from Individuals making the difference to, more and more, demanding that Government (with its monopoly of Force) mandate the behaviors THEY want to see others adopt (er, forced into). Yes, prostrating yourself in front of their Altar of Sustainability has a brand new meaning when it is Government jackboots and guns standing behind you. But they’ll feel good about themselves that the rest of us will have come to “their salvation” (like Obama once said).
Poor Lloyd had a conniption fit in this post (“Many Care About Climate Change, But Most Don’t Want to Do Much About It“) as the truth bit him in his posterior:
…”The most favored actions that follow – stopping deforestation, protecting species, energy efficiency in buildings, banning the use of polluting substances in agriculture – are all solutions that do not require effort on the part of individuals. In direct contrast, the ‘less popular’ solutions are those that imply a direct impact on citizens’ lifestyle: using public transport vs cars, reducing air travel, raising the price of products that fail to respect environmental criteria, and reducing meat consumption.”
In other words, they really don’t want to give anything up. If someone else will stop deforestation and protect endangered species, that’s great, but don’t ask me to reduce my meat consumption—even though that would help stop deforestation and protect endangered species.
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Rivière calls for governments to take the lead, even if it means implementing unpopular measures. Would this ever happen?
Reading the entire article, as always, gives a better nuance but it is clear that both Lloyd and most of the Enviro-Socialists would have no problem in Government ramrodding this down our throats (just like NH school boards, and others around the US, are trying to ram Critical Race Theory down our kid’s throats – and Parents are rebelling) to force compliance. They will have to – most of us don’t share their concern.
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Heh! I’ve been telling them this for years (slightly edited, emphasis mine here)!
So, the poll states exactly what I’ve said for a long time here – most folks here really don’t share the same outlook as those out there.
E.g., THers are out of step with most of the rest of us.
The problem is that the Enviro-movement has done this to itself. 50 years of Doomsday predictions that were coupled with the “this must be on a war footing” have proven to be silly, stupid, and wrong-headed. You’ve cried wolf for far too long and often and have made mountains out of relatively small molehills.
Sure, large issues to you but not to those outside of TH. TH-ers and similar folks demanding that Government make life rather uncomfortable for others forget that the others have a vote in this as well and you’re seeing that they aren’t voting with you.
And you double down even as the “leaders” give you lip service knowing that the majority of voters don’t want all the reductions in their lifestyles y’all are demanding.
C’est la, folks!
And they are ticked, TICKED I tell you, that we all refuse to pay their penance and don sackcloth for attire and sit and throw ashes into the air to publicly proclaim our collective guilt. They grow horrified that we refuse to give up what they consider outlandish consumerism (even the middle class) on our part; remember, Lloyd is a believer (as a bona fide “intellectual” professor) in that “Eat the Rich” is a wonderful idea.
And I did get some agreement from another commenter: Bob from New Zealand (again, emphasis mine):
“You’ve cried wolf for far too long and often and have made mountains out of relatively small molehills.”
It’s very rare that I agree with GG over anything. But in this case, I completely agree. It’s like the Environmental movement collectivity don’t understand the concept of truth and credibility.
People are not going to take advice from people who they think, rightly or wrongly, are lying to them.
They were, and still are, at COP26, “last change to change the world” – what again – COP21 was the last chance – as was COP22 and so will COP27.
This environmental problem is not going to result in the end of the human race or the end of civilization so why do they keep on banging on about it. Why do they think anybody will listen to anything they say when there is not one gram of scientific evident to support it?
Heh! I had to correct him, slightly, and then add in why the “cry wolf” bit doesn’t fly:
Actually, Bob, while we have had our “to dos” on some things, we’re more on the same page than not.
And yes, the human race, the most adaptable species in the world, will adapt as climate changes in the future just as we have in the past. It’s what we do. And overbearing Government, falling to the Great Mind Fallacy, won’t help – it will make any adaptations too rigid, one size fits all, inefficient, and unaffordable.
It’s why “they” never say they’re sorry – they just say that the right people haven’t implemented it correctly.
The problem is that most of the Eco-Socialists always presume a status quo that they can manipulate. Yet, over the 120 years they’ve tried it, they keep failing to see that others re-adapt to their strictures in ways they didn’t think of.
And they get madder still. And now they’re getting the worst response possible. No, not agreement, and no, not direct opposition.
They’re getting ignored. And that’s the worst cut at all. That all of the fulminations they’ve spewed, the Leftist media supporting this foolferall nuttiness, have gone for naught.
Their “perfect” is the enemy of the rest of us’s “good enough” – or is it the other way around?
Here in the US, by almost any measure, the environment is cleaner and more restored than in any other country (based on relative starting points). We lead the world in decreasing emissions and our lands are getting cleaner. Perfect (especially by their definitions)?
No, but few are willing to become the self-abasing monks they desire us to be with respect to lifestyles and living conditions. We’ve moved from open fires with wood and dried dung to coal to kerosene and whale oil to electricity via coal to that by nuclear and natural gas (sticking to dispatchable sources for now). Dirt and filth in the streets are mostly gone and in the case of my State, New Hampshire, more forested than at any time since colonization (and now, that’s not a bad word in my vocabulary).
Yes, I like my modern middle-class lifestyle which, in many ways, is far superior to that of Kings in the past. Nor do I envy the top 0.1% of their conveniences as well – I am not driven by Envy like most Socialists are (“If I can’t have it, NO ONE CAN”).
But it is nice to see that they got a bit of comeuppance in realizing they are much in the minority compared to the rest of us.
The problem is that they are much louder (and vulgar) and willing to move the Government into their camp than the rest of us.
