Speaker Chandler Defeats Both Conversion Therapy Ban Bills With Tie-Breaking Votes

by Steve MacDonald

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We have to give credit where it is due. Speaker of the New Hampshire House, Gene Chandler is not historically what we’d call a conservative. But yesterday he used his vote to break two ties in the Legislature to kill bad bills.

The House deadlocked on two bills that would ban gay conversion therapy, requiring House Speaker Gene Chandler, R-Bartlett, to cast tie-breaking votes that defeated both bills.

Related: NH House Considers Discriminatory Legislation That Could Also Silence Free Speech

Supporters of the ban argued that conversion therapy is a harmful, sometimes abusive, practice designed to change a young person’s sexual orientation or identity.

Opponents argued that parents have the right to seek whatever therapy they deem necessary for their children, and that abusive forms of conversion therapy have not been reported in New Hampshire.

The House bill (HB 587) failed by one vote, 166-165, after Chandler cast the tie-breaker.

The Senate version (SB 224) was defeated 170-169, again requiring Chandler’s vote to break a 169-169 tie.

I’ve said plenty about these sort of bills in the past, here and here so I won’t revisit that, at least until we have to think about this legislation again until…next session.

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  • Maybe now “we” can have another critical look at “recovered adolescent memory” , facilitated and “coached” by Professional Forensic Psychologists, for the purposes of “Family”, and criminal court testimony?

  • mrwonderful

    Anyone who believes that gay conversion therapy on children should be allowed, actually belies in child abuse. It astonishes me that in the year 2017, the NH legislature actually thinks that forcing children to not be who they are is a good thing. And as for the lame excuse of “this law is not needed because there’s not much gay conversion therapy going on in NH anyway” is like saying, “I guess we should make slavery legal again in NH ‘cuz it’s hardly ever done any more in NH.” We have become the Mississippi of the north. This is not good for NH. I’m floored that our legislature had a bill in front of them to ban this and didn’t pass it. But then again, when the head of your Dept. of Ed is into it, I guess that makes it hard to say no to. I think Chandler needs “sex conversion therapy” forced on him with no anesthesia.

    • sb

      Yes it should be allowed. Being allowed does not mean it is being forced on anyone. But if someone wants it, and can’t get it because it’s banned, then what?

      • mrwonderful

        Sorry . . . wrong. That excuse might have merit if we’re talking about gay conversion therapy for ADULTS. If adults want to make a choice to try some crackpot therapy that has been scientifically proven not to work, then that’s their choice. But MINORS are unable to make an educated choice for themselves. Or, let me put it another way: How many 9 year olds have ever said, “mommy, daddy, can you please pay for me to have gay conversion therapy so I’m not gay anymore?”

        • sb

          No, not “sorry…wrong”. You shouldn’t get to decide for parents what they can or cannot do for their children. Government should not be sticking it’s big nose into that, either. I think you can agree that “being gay” is not an easy life and it might be considered a worthwhile attempt to make things better for their children? Also, children do tend to fantasize about things they don’t understand and it takes a while until they get it all figured out.

          • mrwonderful

            This quote speaks volumes about the extent of your homophobia: ” . . . it might be considered a worthwhile attempt to make things better for their children . . . ” To imply that making them “un-gay” is somehow “better” one would have to believe first that being gay is “bad.” It’s not. It just IS. And since you’re so concerned about families rights – I assume you’re pro-choice and pro-gay marriage then, right?

          • sb

            What parent doesn’t want to make an easier life for their children? You can call it “just IS” all you want but that doesn’t make it an easy life. You are sticking your head in the sand and like all leftists, you ignore what IS and pretend things are like you wish they were.

            This isn’t about pro-choice/pro-life or gay marriage. Not going to derail the topic, sorry.

          • mrwonderful

            NEWS FLASH: Homosexuality JUST IS!

          • sb

            You missed the point of my comment. It IS a difficult path and sane parents do want to make things “not difficult” for their children, whatever that may be.

      • mrwonderful

        And why are you so hell-bent on converting gay people in the first place? I thought you libertarians were all about “live and let live” unless it ain’t harming anyone else???

        • sb

          Yes, the option should always be available to get help.

          • mrwonderful

            Oh . . . was that an ANSWER to my question in there somewhere . . . didn’t read like one.

          • sb

            Live and let live – if somebody wants help for him/herself or one’s own children, they should have access to it even if you don’t like that.

          • Ed Naile

            mrwonderful
            So you don’t like sex conversion therapy of children.
            How progressive.
            Tell us how you feel about converting a small child into a bunch of chopped up parts in Planned Parenthood style partial birth conversion therapy?
            Let me guess.

          • mrwonderful

            I would be against that if it were “a thing.” But it’s not. Aborted an unviable fetus early enough however, I’m perfectly fine with that.

          • granitegrok

            Go to the next step – are you also hewing to the idea that some Progressives have put forth that post-birth babies can and should be aborted as they are not viable on their own (they must be taken care of)?

          • mrwonderful

            “post-birth babies” . . . that’s also not a thing. Anyone who wants to “abort” a “post-birth” baby, is in favor of infanticide, don’t be silly.

          • Ed Naile

            notsowonderful:
            The “perfectly fine” admission shows you probably shouldn’t be telling parents what to do regarding their own children.
            What if a parents knows their child’s desire to change sexes is the product of showing off or wanting attention?
            An unacceptable percentage of sex changed kids have emotional issues, regrets later in life, and sometimes commit suicide.
            You wholeheartedly support that??
            That is sad.

          • mrwonderful

            I’ve known several kids who’ve came out during high school. Sure some have issues, but most are much more well-adjusted than lots of heterosexual students I know. And the reason for that is they have responsible, caring parents who love them unconditionally and support them without forcing them to change who they really are. And from my experience it’s mostly men who can’t handle it. Many is the time when I’ve sat in on a parent meeting where mom was totally supportive of her kid’s issues, be they some sort of special needs diagnosis, sexual orientation, gender issues, etc. And then you look across the table at dad and he has his arms folded with a scowl on his face and is in total denial about who his kid really is. My wife and I met later in life so we decided not to have children, but I’d like to think that if I had kids I would be a supportive, caring parent who saw my kids for who and what they were and not as an extension of myself that I wanted to think, act and behave a certain way to boost my own fragile sense of self.

          • Ed Naile

            Probably an angry white dad too?
            How did I guess that.
            Progressives are so predictable.
            The homosexual kids are well adjusted and the hetero kids aren’t.
            If you don’t promote homosexuality in your children you’re homophobic – right?
            Amateur Psychology 101.
            (You get a A+)

          • mrwonderful

            READING COMPREHENSION! I never said . . .

            1) ALL homosexual kids are well adjusted
            2) ALL heterosexual kids weren’t well adjusted
            3) not “promoting homosexuality” means you’re homophobic. (I wasn’t actually “promoting homosexuality” whatever that means.)

            You can’t “promote homosexuality” anymore than you can “promote having green eyes” or “promote being asian.” You either are, or you’re not. You don’t “BECOME it.” This is stupid – we’re arguing past each other due to a fundamental disagreement over what homosexuality is and whether or not it’s “nature” or “nurture.”

          • Ed Naile

            Sorry
            You wrote:
            ” but MOST are much more well-adjusted than LOTS of heterosexual students I know.”
            I wrote:
            THE homosexual kids are well adjusted and THE hetero kids aren’t. – as in THE kids you were talking about.
            I didn’t say ALL.
            Talk about reading comprehension.
            But I understand. You wanted desperately to talk down to me an jumped at the chance without paying attention.
            Its called “knee-jerk” liberalism.
            As for debating homosexuality with liberals. I find it boring.
            It might make you giddy with self-righteousness, but boring it is.

          • mrwonderful

            Yeah – because my opinion is based in science and human nature and yours is based in your fears and bigotry.

    • sb

      All I’ll say on the subject of child abuse is that it sure is rich somebody who insists on allowing a mother to kill her baby is complaining about child abuse. Since you brought it up. Geesh.

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