Mark Steyn: On Calling Everyone a Nazi

by Steve MacDonald

“They don’t think about whether there’s any actual real connection between guys calling for Jews to be in ovens and Trump.”

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  • Radical Moderate

    I just read your article Steve and watched the video. I just responded to Bruce about the very same thing on one of your earlier articles.
    http://granitegrok.com/blog/2017/08/no-violence-reported-boston-free-speech-rally-today#comment-109115
    I don’t know why so many refuse to see the forest through the trees.

    • Radical Moderate

      Someone removed the response I posted to Bruce a few hours ago. I know I didn’t violate any TOS or GG guidelines. Just wondering if anyone knows what happened.

      • granitegrok

        This?

        “Neither BLM nor Occupy can fairly be considered a hate group, and whatever “violence” they’ve committed was done by a minority and limited to property damage.”
        Wrong Bruce…Wrong, wrong, wrong. You have such a convenient memory.
        FACT: BLM has called for the death of police officers which led to the wholesale assassination of police officers in the streets of America. They engaged in rioting which destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars in private and public property. If that’s not “hate”, I don’t know what is.
        FACT: Occupy Wall Street called for the imprisonment or death of Wall Street bankers and engaged in rioting which destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars in private and public property. If that’s not “hate” I don’t know what is.
        “That’s in st ark contrast to neo-Nazis and white supremacists, whose entire reason for being is based on hatred.”
        – When, pray tell did neo-Nazis and White supremacists riot and destroy property on a similar “mass” scale like BLM or OWS? How about we look at the last the 10 years? When did it happen Bruce?
        If you’re going to refer to Charlottesville you need to realize that what the President said was true, though you would not guess it from the deliberate misrepresentation of the event by the MSM, the majority of protesters in the Alt-Right were not Neo-Nazi’s or White supremacists but ordinary non-violent Conservatives of many stripes attempting to engage in redress of grievances acting under the protection of a court order. You can try and take the MSM narrative and run with it but it will fail in the end. As we converse today the DOJ is at work investigating the entire event, money trails and all. The truth will be revealed and I tell you now this will not work out the way you envi sion it.
        Look, regardless of what you or I may think about the legitimacy of those grievances they had a right to be there and that “right” must be protected.
        You’re not a stupid person Bruce, you know whats going to happen if you continue going down this road painting with your broad brush. You will end up causing all those non-violent Conservatives to become radicalized if they have no outlet to vent their anger. Once again, I’m not talking about the 10% Neo-Nazi’s and White supremacists thrown into the mix. That’s 62,979,879 Trump voters that are fed up at the Establishment Republicans and Progressive Democrats that the MSM and you are painting with the same brush. That’s a heck of a lot of angry disenfranchised people if they ever decided to flood into the streets because they are unable to VERBALLY redress their grievances. I have seen this before in other countries. The pattern is the same, and it will not end well for any of us.
        Though I am not a Democrat now I come from a family of blue collar democrats who all proudly voted for a brilliant young man for President. He may have been young, but he was very wise for his age.
        “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” – John F. Kennedy
        I do not want to see that Bruce.
        How about you?

      • granitegrok

        Repost it, Rad, and then email me. While I got email notification of it, I didn’t see it in DISQUS. If it doesn’t show up, I’ll then post it up for you.

  • Kimberly Kma Morin

    For over 8 years, anyone who disagreed with Obama’s failed policies were labelled ‘racists,’ now anyone who disagrees with the left’s failed ideology are ‘Nazis.’ Same idiots, different name calling to shut any discussion down.

    • 175jfs

      Start calling them communists and traitors. Or better yet murders and kiddie-diddlers fits them just fine.

      • Bruce Currie

        “Calling them communists and traitors….” Exactly the kind of comment to be expected from one who sees no irony in calling those who disagree with his own far-right views ‘traitors’, while defending the ideas and statues of men who truly were traitors to the nation.

        • sb

          So you are saying you and your ilk consider wanting to live by our Constitution a “far right view”? And to expect our government to abide by it is a “far right view”?

          • Bruce Currie

            “Live by the Constitution.” Exactly. The Constitution is not a straitjacket. Your view of the Constitution is not shared by most Americans. It wasn’t one shared by most of the founders either, who desired a strong constitution that enabled the government to actually govern, and meet the challenges of the day. As it did during the Civil War. As it did during the Depression, and again during WW2.

            Like it or not, we live in a pluralistic society with a mixed economy. The evolution of our economy and government together during the post-WW2 era helped make this nation great. That partnership is no longer assured, wreaked by imperial hubris of empire, and naked greed of our elites. Our oligarchs promote the anti-democratic ideas of John Calhoun–the “Marx of the Master Class”, designed to preserve the property rights of the elites at the expense of the rest of us. Your post is based on their thinly disguised, self-serving claims.

          • sb

            The Constitution was indeed meant to be a straitjacket. Your idea of “govern” and mine (and the founders), however, are at 180 degrees.

            A pluralistic society? Yes, I’d agree. One part wants to live by the Constitution and the other part ignores it and wants to destroy it and the great American “experiment”. That’s how we got to the place we’re at: not because of the Constitution, but because of those who stomp all over it.

            I do agree we have a problem with our “elites”, whatever letter they choose to hang after their name. I do believe in property rights, but that has nothing to do with elites. And no, my beliefs also have nothing to do with protecting them.

          • Bruce Currie

            No, the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation, which was a straitjacket. Your claims are those of the anti-Federalists, who opposed the new constitution with its strong central government. They lost. But that hasn’t stopped the right–the Kochs and other oligarchs of similar bent, from spending many millions over the last 5 decades on think tanks, lobbyists, and academics, aiming toward what they label an “originalist” understanding of the Constitution–the straitjacket. In fact, they want nothing less than the suppression of messy democracy, and to replace it with rule by those who know best–wealthy elites intent on preserving their property rights at the expense of everyone else. To them, there is no such thing as society or the common good–only individuals.

            So it comes down to a fundamental conflict between democracy and capitalism. The oligarchs’ self-serving laissez-faire/ libertarian agenda is intended to enable our would-be John Galts–making the same anti-democratic claims as John C. Calhoun– to work their marketplace magic unfettered by annoyances like environmental, labor laws, and quaint notions like the common good. The planet is already rife with examples of market failure– our healthcare system, the 2008 Great Recession with its TBTF banks, our inability so far to deal effectively with global warming. “Free trade” is a dirty joke that has destroyed the blue-collar middle class in this country, and helped spawn immigration that conveniently worked to depress wages–marketplace magic!– to the detriment of millions of Americans. Their message is more of the neo-Liberal economic snake-oil responsible now for 4 decades of economic decline in this country.

            Pure capitalism is ill-equipped to meet the demands of the 21st century, when it can barely see past the next quarter’s earnings statement. The looming environmental challenges of climate change will not be met by market forces. Only a strong central government, working together with the best minds of academia, business, and industry, in the same way they worked during WW2, can possibly meet these challenges.

          • 175jfs

            The progressive traitor speaks. What no fake weather report today to go with the long-wind left-wing rant?

          • Bruce Currie

            Once again, you play fast and loose with facts, by tossing the “t word” around at those you disagree with. But see no irony in defending those who betrayed the nation by fighting for the Confederacy. When facts fail, resort to name-calling. Or, easier still: make name-calling the default position. Because thinking is hard.

          • 175jfs

            Reality time. Face it. You’re hardcore leftist. Pro Big government, anti-conservative, anti-gun, global-warming conspiracy hound, open-borders, pro-islamist, There’s more but why bore everybody? And you don’t like being called out on it. Your turn for another long winded rant.

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