Fine Take the Statues Down, But Do It for the Right Reason

by Scott Morales

Something about this whole thing with toppling statues is bothering me. Actually, many things.Confederate Statue Durham North Carolina

First, let it be known that I hold no quarter for any Confederate soldier, militia member, officer or general. They took the wrong side, fought for something dishonorable, and were deeply misguided. And they lost. That’s it. With that said, I do believe that there are some good people who disagree with me on this. And that’s fine.

But I got to say, bending to the will of an angry mob in appeasement, even if it is against white nationalism or racism or whatever, is just, well, stupid and counter productive, but before we get to that, should we remove Confederate statues from public spaces?

My simple answer is I really don’t care that much. I am sure there are some logical reasons to remove the statues and commemorations. One reason might be that it was completely illogical to erect them in the first place. Ones that come to mind are the Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson statues in New York City.  Why the hell were they erected? Both of the men wanted to sack New York. That’s like New Hampshire erecting a King George III statue, it makes no friggin sense. Another reason that I’ve heard and I’m not sure I completely agree, but it is worth consideration, is that some (many?) of these statues were erected with racist motives during the Civil Rights movement and smack of a stubborn, racist finger in the eye of that movement. There might be some truth to that. I’m not sure. There might be other legitimate reasons worth discussing. But that’s the point. Let’s discuss this and come to an understanding before acting out. Like G.K. Chesterton said:

…let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.

And not taking a breath before acting out is also counter productive if your goal is to bring peace and civility. When you bend to the will of an angry mob (or a bully) in hopes to appease it, you do not quell the fire, you stoke it. They’ll continue to tantrum, vandalize, and beat people with bats and fists, and demand something more the next time. There will be more riots and beatings and probably deaths. This won’t stop. This is like giving into a child’s tantrum when he wants a cookie. If you do give in, he’ll foot stomp and scream every time you do not give him one. Eventually, if this continues, you’ll end up with a pudgy, ill-mannered child. Speaking of a pudgy, ill-mannered child, consider another example of appeasement in the face of tantrums and review our Democrat lead relations and “deals” with the monstrous North Koreans and their pudgy ill-mannered murderous leader.

Also, just because you share common cause with bad people, doesn’t mean they’re not bad people. Look (since it’s in the zeitgeist today we’ll take the Commies and Nazis) we allied ourselves with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Stalin was a terror, responsible for far more brutal deaths than Hitler, but Hitler was on a tear across Europe and needed to be stopped. That doesn’t mean Stalin was a good guy. He wasn’t, he was a cruel, murderous madman. And neither are the anti-fa, BLM, and leftist vandalizing violent filth marching with them. They are not good people. And just because they don’t like the KKK and white nationalists either, doesn’t make them good people. They’re the Stalin to the KKK’s Hitler. They’re the Iraq to the Iran in the 80’s. They both suck.

So, if you want to take down statues, let’s all calm the f*** down and talk about it. Geeze.

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  • Nick Martin

    I don’t have much occasion to do this on GraniteGrok, so I’ll say it now: This is a well-written, thoughtful post. And, this may shock some authors here who like to lump all democrats into the same bucket, but I even think your Stalin comparison is fair.

  • granitegrok

    “you do not quell the fire, you stoke it. ”

    Not only on the mob side (in which you let us do this, now we shall do bigger”) but also the folks on the other side. THey may not be “stoked” to bonfire heights but they are also starting to burn. So no, the fire is not quelled, it spreads.

  • Tom F

    Let me start by saying I fully agree with your last paragraph – but I MUST take STRONG exception to your statement, “They took the wrong side.” The Civil War was the beginning of the draft in the US; universal conscription of fighting age males began in the South, but was enacted in the North soon after. In many places, those we would have jokingly called “draft dodgers” during Vietnam, could be, and were, hung. In some places, you could buy your way out of it – for $500, a princely sum then. Only 3% of Southerners owned slaves – mostly the wealthy landowners. Without conscription, how many poor dirt farmers scratching out a living for their families would have voluntarily abandoned them and risked their lives so that the plantation owners could go on being wealthy slaveholders? They didn’t have the freedom then that we do today to simply pull up stakes and move. What did those guys have to gain? Would you have abandoned YOUR family? That monument in Durham was the equivalent of the “Unknown Soldier’s Tomb” in DC – a monument to the many fallen who simply had no marked grave, who were buried in mass graves where they fell. The MSM nor the government schools may tell you about this, but there’s plenty of information to be found on the Internet. Do some homework before you make such inane broad statements.

    • Scott Morales

      Seems to me the inanity is hair splitting and excuse making for actions the perpetrators later regret. Look, Mr. Friedman, I’m not saying there weren’t real reasons, legitimate or otherwise, for taking the wrong side, but they took it nonetheless. You wear the uniform, and you’re in whether you like it or not. That’s the way the world works.

      But I get your point. So the next time I discuss Nazi filth, I’ll be sure to include exemption qualifiers like you suggest and include “except for the Poles, the conscripted, the reluctant gas chamber attendants, and, oh yeah, Oskar Schindler etc etc.” Yeah, I’ll be sure to do that.

      Scott – can’t please ’em all

      • Tom F

        And what did you do, Mr. Morales, when you got YOUR draft notice? Oh, you had a deferment? Didn’t have to worry about a rope? Right.

        • Scott Morales

          I NEVER got a DRAFT notice.

          – Scott playing ALL CAPS non-sequiter games with a child

          • Tom F

            Ah – you are too young to have been involved in the draft, then? Find someone who did get a draft notice to help you understand. Or, are you really saying that, had you been a poor southern dirt farmer with 5 children to feed in 1862 when the Confederate Army came for you, you would have chosen the rope over serving? Good choice – throw your family under the bus.

          • granitegrok

            An argument without a purpose. And yes, I signed up for Selective Service although the Viet Nam war was already over (I still have that Selective Service paperwork….somewhere here….). Scott had no say back then and none today about the draft (today mostly because we’ve had an all-volunteer military so asking about a draft is irrelevant).

          • Tom F

            You seem to have missed the point – it was hardly irrelevant to the poor guys that got conscripted into the Union or Confederate Armies. In rural areas, there was often no one at all to look out for their families because the armies took ALL the able-bodied men – all that were left were kids, cripples, geezers, and slaves. Moms had to learn to be farmers, hunters, and protectors; many got victimized by the deserters and other criminals left behind. In cities, they often had to find jobs to feed their children – whatever kind of jobs were available. That’s also why there was very little protection for the civilians killed in the South by the Union Army during Lincoln’s push to break the back of the Southern resistance and end the war – around 70,000 civilians, mostly women and children because the men were gone. Yes, there were islands of resistance to the Confederacy, but they were in minority and were considered traitors and they, and their families, treated accordingly.
            I would NEVER defend slavery – but there are always two sides (at least) of every story. Not all those guys in gray uniforms were slavers or pro-slavery and I object to that generalization by Mr. Morales – just as I object to being referred to as a “baby-killer” because that war ramped up while I was enlisted. I am a vet, but volunteered before Johnson’s war got going – and that would have changed my mind – there was nothing for the USA to gain in that war, but I was there to see how the elites maneuvered us into that war for their profit – and our loss.
            While the draft is gone for now, it was very relevant then – and not to be forgotten. These leftists want to bury our history, so, among other things, we cannot teach how bad universal conscription was – our schools already omit many important details of that war. Do any teach that Lincoln wanted to send all the blacks back to Africa?
            And, if the RINO and Democrat warmongers have their way, that universal conscription just may come back – especially if we are forced to forget those horrors.

    • Bruce Currie

      Your figure on the number of Southerners who owned slaves is too low. About a third of southern families owed at least one slave, and in S. Carolina and Mississippi it was almost half. While there were divided loyalties, especially in the border states, there were large numbers of southerners who deserted, and many others who refused to fight for the Confederacy. In fact there were at least 6 significant union strongholds across the South that were in open rebellion to the Confederacy.

      Your claim that fighting for the South was not the “wrong side” is not supported by the facts, given that slavery’s continued existence in the Union was the issue. Grant put it plainly: “…that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse.” And at least half of the Union’s officers corps born in the South must have agreed, for they stayed and fought for the Union.
      http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/6-unionist-strongholds-in-the-south-during-the-civil-war
      http://www.civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm

  • Ed Naile

    None of this current media narrative is about slavery, the Civil War, or who served where.
    Left wing losers from universities, the media, the usual Washington elites, and self-loathing Americans are attempting to destroy the presidency of a person whom they can not control.
    Let’s not forget what is going on – now.
    The Left could have had all the suddenly offensive statues removed long ago.
    The argument is a red herring.
    Why not expose them for the real damage they want to impose on us all if they are successful.

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