Will they or won’t they? A lot of people have asked the same question

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Over at The Blaze is an interview they did with Col. Allen West (retired, former US Congressman) about his latest book “Guardian of the Republic: An American Ronin’s Journey to Faith, Family and Freedom.”.  This was a rather interesting question (emphasis mine in the answer):

We talk a lot about the growth of the state and the power it might usurp and abuse in the most extreme scenarios. Could you ever envision a time where the military or forces under control that are extra-military would ever turn its guns on U.S. citizens?

West: No. The United States military would never do that. I’ve got plenty of friends that are there and relatives…that’s not gonna happen. The United States military serves this country, and the interesting thing about the United States military is that they take an oath to the Constitution. They don’t take an oath to a king, to a president, to whatever. They do say to obey the orders of the officers appointed above me, but also but also if you are given an immoral order, you don’t have to follow that order. So that’s the beauty of our military, and that’s not gonna happen. And I think that’s also why you see such an animosity between the Left and our military. And that’s why they want to break down the military because that’s really the last bastion of American principle and value, and moral value. You know the president for him, his vital national interest is repealing “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell,” getting social egalitarianism – getting women in the Rangers and the Navy SEALs. He wants to break the military down from what it is, so no, that would never happen.

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  • I’m reading the book now, and so far, it seems like a good reflection of the man.
    Amongst the pictures in the book, there is a cartoon, which was surely meant to be derogatory, but West pokes fun at the cartoon and himself.
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  • allen

    there are a percentage of troops that would fire if given the order. they don’t know which ones…so sending them out on such a mission is problematic. after “ft hood II” psychological profiles of many soldiers may be required..and that is a perfect opportunity to sort out the ones that won’t question those sorts of orders.

    • Virgil Hilts

      How do you know that?

      • allen

        I was Navy in the early 90’s. those people that were in at the same time as me are in senior leadership positions now. there were discussions during the Waco Siege about how they had no issues with using B-52’s and “arclighting” the place. Ruby Ridge was to them clearly a call for a single rocket-and-gun run from an A-10

        they had no idea what was a lawful order and what wasn’t…posse comitatus was as irrelevant as laws about spitting on the sidewalk..and they were dead set that disobeying an unlawful order from a police officer was the same as disobeying an order from your CO, and should be dealt with usually by firing squad, immediately if need be.

        some of these were Naval Academy Graduates, who clearly should know better…but must have missed the classes on the Nuremberg Trails. perhaps they were busy studying what Patton, MacArthur, and Eisenhower did to the Bonus Marchers.

        • Virgil Hilts

          Thank you Sir. THAT…is disturbing and chilling.
          /* [Hand Salute]

          • allen

            remember though it’s not everyone..like the general population, there is always a certain number of sociopaths. the issue comes when the system is designed to promote those that will follow ANY order given them, rather than determine what is lawful and not, and remove anyone that doesn’t get promoted. it used to be, you could go in the military and as long as you weren’t trouble, and did your job, you could stay in until retirement, regardless of what rank you attained. my father did 26 years (both active and reserve) and only went as far as E-5. now that would be impossible…go up in rank or get out.

            this is happening not just to the military, but the police as well. remember the story of the guy in CT who was denied employment in the police department because he was too smart? they tried to claim it was because he would get bored on the job and quit. if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

          • Virgil Hilts

            Brains and a nimble mind are anathema in some circles….and…we can’t kid ourselves: Common Sense is NOT than common!

          • WILDCATF4F

            I am not at all shocked that there are some that look at 9-10 as ‘TARGETS’ waiting to be used!
            LOCK & LOAD!!!

          • Virgil Hilts

            Not sure I know what 9-10 means. Send help -;0

          • WILDCATF4F

            I am referring to 9 out of 10 U.S. Citizens, I know without a doubt a number of [FU-BARAK] Zombies are slavering over the order to open up on US!, and I am sure that you know some in your area that need to be kept under constant observation, I am lucky there are a lower number where I live, mostly due to the total population, and that 9-10 are tried and true Patriots.
            -.. — -.– — ..- .-.. .- -.. ? — …- .-. .
            LOCK & LOAD!!!

          • Virgil Hilts

            How many hours will it take me to decipher the Morse code? I don’t know that stuff. 🙂 (No worries…I can pull out a book and read it. What a great idea…I’d bet that nearly NO ONE running a website has a clue…and it SURE gets through the profanity filters!

          • WILDCATF4F

            You! would agree that at times there IS a method to my MADNESS, LOL, — .- -.. –. –.- .-‘
            LOCK & LOAD!!!
            /* [Hand Salute]

          • Virgil Hilts

            YEP! I’ll let you know when I de-cipher. Not tonight…though. It’s a bit late.
            /* [returned]

          • WILDCATF4F

            I will be using this as a refresher, at the same time you are learning, looking forward to the thought of those that will wonder what it is they are looking at.
            … .- .-.. ..- – .

          • allen

            lucky for us Wildcat, that the ones who are willing to shoot us have neither the equipment or training to do so in any organized manner. in such an engagement, I suspect most law enforcement and military would either help us or sit on their hands.

            the “get home atthe end of your shift intact, no matter what” mentality would put most police behind locked doors with their family for the duration. well, any police that can handle the basic math of how outnumbered they are, anyways.

          • WILDCATF4F

            You need to keep this in mind, for 51/2 years. BHO has been ‘IMPORTING’ battle hardened Terrorists to be part of his ‘Presidential Army’ and at a rate of 50 thousand a year or more, the threat is there, and you need to keep your eyes and ears on the alert at all times, and remember this, those that he has ‘SNUCK’ in, are willing to walk into your favorite place, and set of a suicide vest. So for the sake of your family and close friends, do not sit back and think we are going to be fine, IF you are alive at the end,! the work to rebuild will take 4-5 generations.
            LOCK & LOAD!!!

  • purplbttrfli

    Actually Mr. West, women CAN be SEALS. There’s nothing written anywhere that says they can’t be. The reason why there haven’t been any women SEALS to date (and somebody correct me if I’m wrong) is because of the fitness requirements; most men have a hard time meeting them, let alone a woman.

    In case anybody wants to question my sources I asked a lose friend who just retired after spending almost 25 years in the Navy.

    • WILDCATF4F

      The reason, even though it was not a ‘written’ rule, was that until the past few years women were NOT allowed on Submarines, and every seal needs to fully qualify to exit/return to the sub while it is submerged, so as long as women could not be on Subs, they could not be accepted for Seals.
      As for the Physical issue, Women are not at all likely to be accepted as they will never be able to pass what 7-10 men was out from, and if you ask any SEAL if they want to have their lives put into RISK due to the women Not being able to carry the LOADS required to keep the number of seals down to avoid detection.
      Now, for ANY that want to put me on a SPIT and barbeque ME for the facts, I ‘CHALENGE’ you to find out who is the Wife, Child, Parent, if they are willing to add the additional risk that allowing women to be Seals, I am sure that you will have any Left wing ideas REMOVED from your head, and they might take the entire head to make sure!. (the last is aimed at ANY that think the risk is not as great as the Seals all know it to be)
      GO NAVY BEAT ARMY !!!

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