Gay Weddings Debated. Why?

by Rick Olson

There’s nothing wrong with being gay. I have plenty of friends who are going to hell. —Stephen Colbert

HB 1264, sponsored by Representatives Jerry Bergevin of Manchester and Frank Sapareto of Derry met with a firestorm of opposition from the Gay Community along with religious and civil rights groups mouthpieces. The Union Leader intriguingly, made this a gay/straight issue through the context of their reporting, despite nothing in the bill making any direct (or even indirect) reference to any group respectively.

 “This will lead to bigotry and discrimination,” said Roberta Barry of Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, as reported in a Staff Report of the Wednesday Edition of the New Hampshire Union Leader.  Barry goes on to assert,  “It appears to legislate that you can pick and choose what laws to follow based on your conscience … Where does it stop? Will we be able to one day say, ‘It’s against my conscience to pay property taxes?’” Other opponents of the legislation likened it to, “Nazi-era laws,” and the “Jim Crow South.”

Woah! “It’s against my conscience to pay property taxes?  Nazi-era laws? Jim Crow South?  Pure demagoguery.

I decided then to actually look at the bill. I looked at the Bill, read it carefully and then read it again. I thought perhaps I had missed something. I thought I had perhaps missed, overlooked or failed to apprehend the section singling out gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals or whomever else is perceived to be included in that mix. The reason is that it simply is not there. The bill says marriage. not gay marriage…same-sex marriage or whatever term is correct and appropriate in the present era of paper-thin sensibilities.

HB 1264 states,

“[N]o person, including a business owner or employee thereof, shall be required to provide services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods, or privileges to an individual if the request is related to the solemnization, celebration, or promotion of a marriage and providing such services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods, or privileges would be a violation of the person’s conscience or religious faith.”

Let me be clear. Do I think the passage of such a law will likely result in some refusal or denial of services attributable to sexual orientation? more than likely. Do I think it will be systemic and widespread? Absolutely not. In fact, I think for every one business that turns away from the gay community, there are likely three other businesses willing and eager to count the gay community’s money to be as green as anybody elses’.

And such “discrimination” under this statute cuts both ways. If a gay couple owns a bed and breakfast, what is to stop that same couple from refusing honeymoon lodging to a hetero couple under a religious pretext? Or a gay baker who makes cakes?

I hold to the view that the State has no business “licensing” marriage. Marriage is a religious ceremony, not a civil one. In fact, I think my own state-issued marriage license is a sham. I am married to my wife because of the religious ceremony, not because the state gave me permission. So what is to stop me from denying services to people who obtain state-issued marriage licenses because I conscientiously object to the notion of the state sanctioning marriage?

I do not care what the gay, lesbian, and bi-sexual community thinks about my view point. After all why should I? they do not care about mine to the extent they call me a bigot and a homophobe? The reality here is that only those who fall in lock step with the gay, lesbian and bi-sexual community are truly “tolerant” while those whose views differ are, “intolerant.”

There are still many among us who marry, yet do not obtain a state-issued marriage license. The Amish and factions of Menonites are two such groups, for example.  Show me a gay couple willing to sue an Amish community who refuses to provide some goods they hold out for sale because for religious reasons, they object?

How many Amish do we have in the Granite State? Probably no more than a few. But the larger point here is those who advocate for Gay rights, seek to do so by force of law, irrespective of religious object and they are the contemporary self-appointed vanguards in deciding who is tolerant and who is not. So where is the human equity in that?

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  • C. dog e. doG

    OMG, I’m not alone.  Thanks for so eloquently voicing a position based on principal, not emotive drivel.  Someday, someday, the first clause of the Grate State motto will take effect.  Till then, I’ll be attending some underground Amish weddings, and god willing, a few old-school Mormon affairs of the heart.
    – C. dog, the wedding crasher

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1425614914 Jackson Euler

    Rick Olson wrote: “So what is to stop me from denying services to people who obtain state-issued marriage licenses because I conscientiously object to the notion of the state sanctioning marriage?” 
    Uh, how about the US Constitution?! The amendment as written is unconstitutional. You don’t know that? As a conservative you have to know about Griswold v. Connecticut (which formed the basis of Roe v. Wade), well Eisenstadt v. Baird was based on (and an expansion of) Griswold v. Connecticut. You can’t discriminate between married and unmarried couples! That was the basis of the Supreme Court’s ruling in Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972). 
    But keep trying! Keep trying all the way until the voters approve keeping the law granting marriage equality. Keep trying…

    • http://www.GraniteGrok.com/ Rick Olson

      Griswold v. Ct?  a case overturning a 1965 law banning the use of contraceptives? Your kidding me, right? Eisenstadt v. Baird? seriously? Possessing contraceptives?  

      I think your use of these cases is grossly misplaced. The underpinning in both cases tested the limits of government imposing a moral code on the populus. That does not operate here. Simply because “you” say its unconstitutional, does not make it so.

      Presently, if a business owner or other establishment possesses a religious moral objection to serving people based on marital status, There exists a legal exposure. So what you are saying, is that it is okay for the gay community to impose its views and values on those whose views and values differ from theirs. Yet, not for the religious community. 

      Your thesis amounts to nothing more than rank religious persecution. You pay this zero-sum game quite well…”Marriage equality” is a mantra hid behind by those who wish to inflict their values on those who differ by force of law. Thanks for your post. 

    • C. dog e. doG

      Hey, bespectacled and bow-tied one –
      Exactly where in The Constitution of The USA does is spell out the provisions that one may not discriminate?  How does that reconcile with free association, or freedom for that matter?  And even if your club-fisted Nanny and her cadre of village idiots muster sufficient forces to chase Lady Liberty back into the closet, why the inn-keeper can always say: “the inn is full.  Now go on your way.”
      – C. dog nips at the heels of sheople

  • Anonymous

    Yes I supose if I were a Christian who felt that Mormonism is a cult I could refuse to serve a honeymooning Mormon couple at, lets say, my restaurant in Concord.  Its my belief if you open a business to serve the “Public” you had best be prepared to serve all of the public ( except for the stray drunk or naked politician of course).

    • C. dog e. doG

      The operative world being “belief”.  In a state of freedom, people would be able to do as they please, and contract with others out from under the umbrella of coercion.  Of course, for the cloven-footed amongst us, they’ll just willy-nilly stick to their beliefs.
      – C. dog drives away in his love bug with two of his favorite concubines

  • Anonymous

    Herb, last time I knew, I opened a business to make a profit.  Now, Obama believes that businesses exist to employ people:

           “They should set up shop here and hire our workers and pay decent wages and invest in the future of this nation,” he said.   “That’s their obligation.”

    No, it is NOT their obligation to hire people IF they do not need them. And Progressives seem to think that businesses are just arms of the govt and turn them into social service organizations (mandating wage levels, benefit types and levels of services therein).

    But no, Herb, companies do not exist merely “to serve the Public” – they exist for one solitary reason – to make a profit and to fulfill the designs of the owner(s) and not to please anyone else unless that “anyone else” is their target marketplace.  But they do make a profit by serving some of that marketplace.  In essence, that is what Capitalism is – serving your fellow man.  But a business can rarely serve the entire Public (and nor should it try).

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