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« Round about some of the NH Conservative sites - week of 12/19/09 | Main

Freedom of Speech? For the Left - not so much a freedom they believe in

Update: I was LOOKING for this pic!  Thanks to Brent at WeekendPundit (who also has a post on Political Correctness):

Tolerant Liberals

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The 'Grok has always said that remedy for "bad" speech is MORE speech - not less.  However, totalitarians through out the years have relied on tried and true technique:

Don't argue with your opponent - silence them! Any way you can.

Early in the life of the 'Grok, when people were unhappy with the content and told us to take it down, we told them "No - don't like it?  Get your own blog!"  When we disagreed with other people, we didn't tell them to shut up - we said "OK, let's debate it - we'll talk ALL DAY LONG".

Few ever took up the challenge.

On the Left, it seems that they way they wish to follow is that of the totalitarians - they do not wish to debate - they want to shut people up and will go to any length to do so.  It can be simple encouragement or approval of such behavior (shutting down of debate) as Richard from NH Insider reminded me:

In their article "Open Thread: Comity Club Killer" they cheer on AL Franken for preventing Joe Lieberman from having 30 seconds more to finish reading a prepared statement about an amendment he was going to add to the health care bill.

...Open debate and listening to all sides clearly is not a democrat virtue.

So, is there outrage at  applauding a Liberal silencing? Of course not.  While it has turned out that it was Senator Reid that gave the orders to all "presiding officers" to limit speech to the normal 10 minutes and not Franken himself, it certainly looked like he was all full of himself with such a smirk as said "I object" to Liberman's request for a little more time.  

Then there's US Congressman Alan Greyson (D-FL) (he of the phrase "The Republican Health Care Plan: Die Quickly. and "Cheney, STFU") who now wants to jail someone just for wanting him out of office (H/T to NewsBusters).  After all, if he puts his opponent in jail, he:

  • silences them
  • ruins their life
  • ruins their family
  • sends a message of "don't you dare speak out against me"

His complaint?  After the jump (and a couple more stories of silencing of dissent)

So, what is Greyson whining about?  Gee, somebody has the temerity to disagree with him, so HE decides to have the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, put someone in jail - for 5 years!  For the grand sin of parodying his own site congressmanwithguts.com with mycongressmanisnuts.com.  While the complete complaint is here, the relevant parts are here:

As explained below, Ms. Langley and the Committee falsely represented to the Federal Election Commission that the Committee "supports or opposes more than one candidate," In fact, however, the committee name corresponds to a website that attacks me. and only me, while soliciting contributions to be used against only me. Moreover, Ms. Langley has falsely depicted herself as a constituent, in order to further this scheme. Ms. Langley and the Committee thus have, "in a[] matter within the jurisdiction of the executive ... branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully -

(1) falsifie[d], concealed], or cover[ed] up any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) ma[de] a[] materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; [and]
(3) ma[de] or use[d] a[] false writing or document knowing the same to contain a[] materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent entry."

Wait. It gets better:

Ms. Langley has chosen a name for her committee that is utterly tasteless and juvenile. Of the thousands of campaign committees reporting to the FEC, I doubt that any other one sinks this low. But that is not the primary purpose of this complaint.

By choosing the name "My Congressman is Nuts' for her committee, Ms. Langley is indicating that I am her Congressman. I am not her Congressman, and I have never been her Congressman. Ms. Langley resides at 969 W. Lakeshore Drive, Clermont, FL 34711 (Ex. A-2), This is many miles outside my district Ms. Langley lives within FL-5, not FL-8.

Ms. Langley has deliberately masqueraded as a constituent of mine, in order to try to create the false appearance that she speaks for constituents who don't support me. This is fundamentally deceptive and fraudulent.

Can you believe this nonsense?

These matters were brought to Ms. Langley's personal attention through complaint to the FEC weeks ago, but she and the Committee continue to solicit contributions fraudulently, and have stubbornly refused to return the contributions that they already have, received. Therefore, Ms. Langley and the Committee should be fined, and Ms. Langley imprisoned for five years

John Stossel adds this (emphasis mine):

Poor Alan Grayson. Since the law school graduate must know something about freedom of speech, he must have been very wounded by Ms. Langely’s words to want to jail her for them.

Bullies like Congressman Grayson illustrate the danger of government power; government is the only entity that can legally use force. That makes government a fearsome master. It can use force to take our money, and homes, and our freedom.

Methinks the "Honorable" Mr. Greyson thinks much of himself.  But he also proves my point - not debate but a complete silencing is what the desired endpoint. So, is there outrage at  applauding a Liberal silencing? Of course not.

Then there is the sorry story of the Maine reporter that I first saw at Fox and again at GayPatriot (who had a few comments of his own):

Brooking No Dissent, HRC Gets Reporter Fired for Addressing Inconvenient Truth About Organization (in a private e-mail)

In a private e-mail to the Human Rights Campaign, a tired reporter in the Pine Tree State responded to their assertion that those who supported Question 1 on the state’s ballot month were haters, echoing something we have said on this blog.

“They said the Yes-on-1 people were haters. I’m a Christian. I take offense at that,” [Larry Grard, that aforementioned sleep-deprived journalist] said. “I e-mailed them back and said basically, ‘We’re not the ones doing the hating. You’re the ones doing the hating.’

He may have been weary, but he did have a point. A lot of the gay marriage activists have been doing a lot of hating.

Shortly after sending this e-mail, Grard, ... was summoned to the office of Bill Thompson, editor of the Sentinel:

He was told that Trevor Thomas, deputy communications director of the Human Rights Campaign, had Googled his name, discovered he was a reporter, and was demanding Grard be fired. According to Grard, Thompson said, “There’s no wiggle room.”

He was immediately dismissed.

Wow, just wow. HRC gets an intemperate e-mail and instead of asking for an apology demands the writer be fired. And heck, the reporter didn’t even cover “the marriage issue or other gay-rights controversies for the Sentinel.”  But, to HRC, if you don’t have the politically correct mind-set, well, then you shouldn’t have a job in journalism.  Maybe it’s because of tactics like theirs that mainstream reporters don’t cover the hateful rhetoric spewing from some segments the gay left.

...Look, not all gay activists are haters, but there is a lot of hateful rhetoric on the gay left. We saw this last fall in the campaign against Prop 8 in the Golden State.  And particularly in the aftermath of its passage.

Instead of firing journalists for mentioning this inconvenient truth in their private correspondence, maybe it’s time for editors to assign reporters to cover the hateful rhetoric of many (but fortunately not all) gay activists, their prejudiced attitudes toward conservatives and Christians and their reluctance to engage their opponents on the level of ideas rather than innuendo and insult. 

The Prop 8 info is here So, is there outrage at  applauding a Liberal silencing? Of course not.

And this current story of Lutheran ministers being bullied for their adherence to traditional Biblical teachings on sexuality:

...The Rev. Mark Gehrke, of Faith Lutheran Church in Moline, Ill., said that "if you do not agree with the direction of the ELCA, you are ... bullied or ostracized or threatened. The threat has been to even remove me and suspend me from ministry," he said.

In early September, he said, he was leading meetings and seeking ways to leave the ELCA. His bishop heard of this and sent a three-man team to address the problem.

"They spent their first 10 to 12 minutes bashing me and the leadership," Mr. Gehrke said. "Quoting things out of context, just totally humiliating me in front of the entire congregation."

Mr. Gehrke said other pastors have been bullied into silence.

"In Illinois, I'm one of the only few pastors that have taken a stand," he said, noting there are others who are too frightened to openly criticize the denomination's position on homosexuality.

"They are afraid for their jobs," he said. "They are afraid of standing against the church, the bishops."...

So, is there outrage at  applauding a Liberal silencing? Of course not.

 

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Hmmm. This has a familiar ring to it. I know of a newspaper columnist that lost his position for saying something that was directed at a single gay individual on an Internet livestream. Lost his radio show, too. Crazy thing is, the statement had NOTHING to do with the paper, or the radio station, and utilized NONE of their official communication structure. Same thing-- a throng of gay activists mobilized and scared the newspaper/radio people out of their wits thus causing them to fire the columnist/radio host. REAL Free speech in America is dead...
Ah, the smell of hypocrisy - it just never gets old for you guys. It's nice to see that all of that time Doug was going to take with Gawd and Fambly led him to the conclusion that his behavior was perfectly justified! Newsflash, Dougie baby - the newspaper is a privately owned business. They can hire and fire at will. They exercised their free market will to give you the ax. So did the radio station. I thought you wingers were all free marketeers? Well, you got free marketed, baby, and now you're whining about it. What a surprise, coming from a right winger!!!
Hey Doug, Welcome back and Merry Christmas. You guys are so right about the intolerant liberals. Looks like you got an intolerant liberal trying to bug you. Not a very smart one, looks like he/she needs a old playbook to think for them. Just using Rules for Radicals or Fools are Radicals. Once again keep the season holy and enjoy your family time. Van

Pinko - yes, the private businesses can hire and fire at will. However, if you look at most of the comments that were left on Doug's post (and mine), they threatened the livelihood of the radio station by complaints to the FCC and wanting their license pulled and multi-million dollar fines assessed such that it would have put them out of business. Not by failure in the free market but by the force of Government.

The point of my post here is that instead of having disagreement and continuing the discourse, the Left shows, by explicit examples, that engaging in debate is not the purpose - their end game is in the complete destruction of their adversaries on the other side of the debate. Demanding tolerance and acceptance from others will gain neither no matter what the issue is. The other side simply watches the destruction wielded by the other side, and they wait. And has been seen so far, will cast votes against those that, again, demand acceptance of their viewpoint.

Demanding tolerance and punishing those who will not give that tolerance rarely works when writ large. Acceptance of other viewpoints might.

Pinko is an obvious hater

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