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« Let's see - cutting or under funding failed - let's try porking it up! | Main | Free speech replaced with forced speech at URI? »

Not good - Is Mitt just the Repub version of Kerry?

Now, compared to Doug, I've blogged little about the Prez '08 campaigns so far.  Given that the campaigns are now moving into the next higher gear, perhaps it's time for this conservative to start wading in.

Illegal immigration is one of my hot buttons.  So is the jr. Senator from MA (my birth state) for his flip-flops.  Well, here's sorta of a new twofer take on this as the Boston Herald is reporting some more stuff on Mitt Romney:

Immigration stance improv: From Mitt, another dubious act

Now, the Herald is more conservative than the Boston Globe, but from living in Boston a long time (and a long time ago), not always.  Thus, cross-check!

Add immigration to the long list of hesitations conservatives ought to have about Mitt Romney.
What he thinks ought to be done about the millions of illegal immigrants already in the country depends on whether you asked him POC (pre-official candidacy) or AOC (after-official candidacy).
Back in 1994, when the U.S. Senate, not the Oval Office, was in Romney’s sights, he said in those now infamous (on YouTube anyway) debates with Sen. Edward Kennedy: “I do not believe that we should deny all services to people who come here from across the border.”
Bad move.  This is not the way to impress me.  For starters, they have broken the law.  Second, why do our elites, those we elect to govern us, continually believe that we should pay for illegal activities?


And more recently, but still POC, Romney told the Lowell Sun in March 2006, “I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country. With these 11 million people, let’s have them registered, know who they are. Those who’ve been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn’t be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.”

Sound like President Bush on this issue....a COMPLETE loser for me.  Dry up the services, heavily fine the employers, no anchor babies, and then let LEGAL immigrants come in.
Now, given the immigration sweep fiasco which just took place in Romney’s home state (where mothers were among those rounded up from a New Bedford factory while children were left without adequate care) the former governor’s position of March 2006 was positively prescient. Whatever your views of immigration and border control, the impracticality of prying illegal immigrants who are already here (and whose children are citizens by virtue of their birth on American soil) out of our communities (and our economy) is obvious.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!  Personal responsibility - this article says NOTHING about the PARENTS putting their children at risk for their illegal behavior.  Sorry, but using children to win an argument but shutting down debate (who wants to argue against kids?) is like invoking Hitler to win an agrument - you lose!
Equally obvious to Romney, though, was the need to conservativize (I know that’s not a word, but it should be) his credentials on immigration. He couldn’t very well run as the GOP’s alternative to Sen. John McCain if his position on illegal immigration were virtually identical, now could he?
Enter AOC Romney. In February on “This Week,” George Stephanopoulos asked Romney whether illegal immigrants should have a path to citizenship. The answer? “No.”
Oh, I disagree!  But not the way you think - go home, do the paperwork, wait the time, come in legally.  THAT'S the path!
Then at the Conservative Political Action Annual Conference earlier this month, Romney denounced McCain’s plan as a taxpayer giveaway that amounts to amnesty.
“McCain-Kennedy isn’t the answer,” he said.
So what is?
Well, Romney’s common-sense positions against granting in-state tuition rates and driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, he says, will offer insight to his approach. He’s right on those two policies...
A good start.....
but relatively minor legislative skirmishes shed little light on the reality of what to do about the workers at Michael Bianco Inc., their families and the millions like them elsewhere in the U.S.
Well, you know how I feel about this now......and it would not require a massive roundup!  Sending in ICE helps - just use the IRS strategy (make examples, everyone else ponies up - or in this case, ponies out!)
But the most galling part of Romney’s immigration pandering is that he may advocate an end to citizenship for the children of illegals born on American soil.
“It’s something which I’m looking at,” he told Stephanopoulos. “I think it’s an important and valid topic.”
I keep hearing from my co-workers, and surfing the 'Net, of stories of pregnant illegals, running over the boarder to have our citizens pay for their birth and then able to stay because the baby now has dual citizenship.  The system was never oriented to control the gaming of the system like this.....so I would agree with stopping this.
Really? Then why didn’t Romney bring it up earlier this week when he addressed Miami-Dade Republicans in Florida? “As president, I will stand side-by-side with the members of this community in fighting the menace of the Cuban monsters,” Romney said, according to published reports. But he said not a word about the “menace” of illegal immigration. That wouldn’t be because of Florida’s influential Hispanic voting bloc, would it?
“He’s going to have problems in South Florida,” said Miami-Dade County Commissioner Jose “Pepe” Diaz.
According to recent polls, Romney’s having problems everywhere. The reason is obvious. On taxes, abortion, gay rights and now immigration, Romney’s switch in positions POC to AOC have made his credibility DOA.
Oh yeah, back to Lurch......doesn't make a snot's worth of difference to me.  Be you a Dem or a Repub, if you're a flipper for opportunistic reasons, you're not getting my vote.

Even if you call yourself a conservative.  You gotta walk the talk a long time to earn that title

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The Boston Herald is playing on emotional strings and pulling our caricatures. Let's talk about facts. FACT: Gov. Romney opposes expulsion and amnesty. He has not changed his record. Here are the OTHER facts the Herald does not cite: In December 2006, then Governor Romney signed a memorandum of agreement with the Federal Government to allow state troopers to enforece immigration laws Gov. Romney vetoed in-state tuition for illegal immigrants Gov. Romney fought efforts to weaken Mass. English immersion law Gov. Romney opposed efforts to give driver's liceses to illegal immigrants Governor Romney is the only sensible Republican in the party right now calling for enforcement without biggotry
Aye aye, See, the funny thing about words is that they can be easily manipulated, as we see everyday in the media. We choose to ignore the spin when it matches our preconcieved notions--this is what the social-sciences call the "confirmation bias". We are all susceptible to it, some more than others. It seems to me that if we take a real close look at the record of Gov. Romney (and not just his easily manipulated words), we can start to paint a picture of a pragmatic, dedicated, rational leader (notice I did not use the word politician), who tried to tackle complex issues with intelligence, maturity, and with the common good as his priority (qualities so many politicians today lack). You see, he is not an ideologue politician. He can be persuaded. He does not get hung up one one or two BIG issues. He understands the broad role of an executive (he ought to, he has, hands down, the most executive experience of any of the current candidates, dem or repub). All things must be considered, wieghed, and a final decision must be made thoughtfully. When you do this, you will find your stances greatly influenced by the people you represent (in mass. the people happen to be mostly democrat). You see, we decry his past stances on social issues, forgeting one of the basic tenents of democracy...that we elect our leaders and hold them accountable for their actions as they represent us. He answered to the people of mass. while governor. This meant that while he may have believed one thing personally, he had reverence for the mantle placed upon him by the people, and used his position to lead, not push his ideology. He has always been pro-life (as the vast majority of mormons are), always been for second ammendment rights (let's not forget that while making the controversial statements about not making any friends in the NRA, he still recieved a B grade from them), always been against gay marriage (contrary to popular misconception). But as the leader of a majority liberal state, he had to make certain concesions. He promised to uphold the "law of the land" (imagine that, some politicians these days, really) by not changing abortion laws (which he did BTW, including vetoeing measures to expand abortion rights). He promised to advocate for the defense of equality and non-descrimination for gays and lesbians, which he tried to do until he realized it was going too far (remember the catholic charities adoption fiasco), where he had to draw a few practical lines. He supported restrictions on assault weapons for civilians, yes, but supported the second ammendment in most other ways. These all went against his personal beliefs (how he chose to live his life), but as governor, we cannot expect him to impose all of his personal veiws onto his constituancy (if he had, there would have been laws before the legislature to ban the use of coffee, tea, tabacco and alcohol. is that what we want to see?) Keep in mind also that this was his first time in public office. He started out with an idea of how he wanted to govern, only to learn (as people do) that certain aspects of his plan were not practical. The abortion issue is case and point...he started out wanting to be fair to the people by promising not to change their laws, only to learn later from a new (gubernatorial) perspective that aspects of these laws (and the culture they created) were destroying an essential foundational principle in our society--that life should be respected above all else. This he knew already in his personal life, but now he knew it in his life as governor. Do you see the distinction? We need to get away from the "if you are a conservative republican, you must fall ABSOLUTELY on the side of the conservative majority on every nuance of every issue--If not, you are not conservative" type of rhetoric. It is damaging to our nation as it more severely polarizes us as a people, and more seriously cripples our elected officials ability to work towards the common good. A politician who is held by his base to an impossibly high standard of governing, to the point of making it impossible to get anything done in this (in case you forgot) two party system, is, well, just a politician. I don't know about you, but I for one want a leader. I and have found him. Won't you join us?

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