Why should I have to?

by Skip

I am a software engineer/consultant/add-you-own-title-here. From my view point, when I look at another person in professional life, I look to see if the other person can code well, takes responsibility for their mistakes, what tasks they can do well, and if they treat me and others in a friendly sort of way. Given that all those are satisified, I don’t much care if they are white, black, brown, yellow, or green with purple spots and spiked hair (or no hair).  It all comes down to can they do the job, and not tick the rest of us off in the process? That’s what I judge people on.

When meeting somebody in other circumstances, I will eyeball them – first impressions do count. Are they friendly? Do they operate according to most social norms (granted all of us, at one time or another, can act like idiots…moi included)? Do they love their spouses and kids? Do they pay their taxes and follow all applicable laws the majority of the time (yes, we all do screw up from time to time – that’s why speeding tickets exist)? Do these things, and I’m ok with them and willing to give them a shot.

The last thing that I judge people on is their skin color; I really could care less. Yet, THIS is being thrown in my face as if I am personally responsible for it. Why? Because I’m white. Because, being a middle aged, educated, professional in suburbia (ok, in rural America) , somehow I benefited from practices that were in place over a hundred years ago in America. White privilege, white power, whites in control…..from those that are pushing for slave reparations, I should ante up.

Not a freakin’ chance.

First, why should I? My ancestors weren’t here in America during that time in question. My paternal grandparents came over during the Irish potato famine (I am third generation). My maternal grandparents came over in the early 1900s from Sweden (again, third generation). My families were could not have been responsible or active in the slave trade earlier. They certainly did not own slaves later.

Yes, slavery happened. And yes, it still exists today (example: the Saudi couple just found guilty in Colorado for literally enslaving someone). The hard truth is that while many of the slave traders were white, many were not. And many of the blacks in this country were sold into slavery by other blacks back in Africa.

If one followed this to its illogical conclusion, the Irish should be suing the Swedes for the havoc caused during the Viking era, right? Heck, sue the English, because their policies starved the Irish and forced the Irish to emigrate (where, by the way, they were out. We all could be suing the Italians for the slavery practiced by the Romans. Look at the results of the Mongol Horde, Islamic Jihad, Aztec exploitation.  The sad truth is that if you go back into history, at almost any time and in almost any location on the globe for any given culture, slavery existed. It continues, sadly in the modern era, in a number of areas!

This whole idea of slave reparations here in America hinges on one and only one thing – white guilt. For whatever reason, there are those in this country that can be guilty over things that they have not done. My take on this is that while compensation could have been done for for those that suffered the actual indignity and loss, it is too late now. Face it; they and the ones that enslaved them are dead.

Frankly, in my humble opinion, this is only get rich scheme at a societal level based on the color of one’s skin. Somehow, the thread that something that happened long ago has an active role in someone else’s life is lacking in my estimation. Besides, we have already transferred, since the beginning of the Great Society back in the 1960s, over 5 trillion dollars to the poor of this country, many of them black. That’s a lot of bucks! And the politically incorrect fact is that it has been a mostly white population that has already paid that bill.  Are wewilling, and able, to roll that back and start fresh?

Let’s do the what-if. Does anyone really believe, given the massive amount of money already transferred to the poor, that more is really going to make a difference? And how are we going to know who should or should not receive that money? Should it be given by those whose ancestors owned slaves to the descendants of those slaves? From a practical standpoint, how would we really be able to tell.  Just look at the fraud committed by those claiming to be Katrina victims – FEMA lost 1.2 billion dollars?  Given the vast sums of money, you don’t think that some are going to scheme to obtain to which they are not entitled?

No, I am not pro-slavery, so don’t go there. No, I don’t believe that it was a good thing then, or now (so don’t go there either). Don’t get me wrong – I am always for a hand up. But this smells of a hand out situation to me. At what point does the past become the past? At some point, it doesn’t matter – at some point, we have to start to ignore the color of one’s skin in order to make the skin color irrelevant.  If we don’t silence the race baiters in this case, we will never reach that point that Dr. Martin Luther King spoke about being judged not by the color of one’s skin but by the color of their character.

The actual workings of actual reparations could be a boondoggle of immense proportions trying to prove who should get and who should give. And if you just say “Make it easy – all black receive and all whites give”, well, that is nothing more than…….. racism.

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  • ken st. cyr

    I used to feel the same way as you Skip. I am a white male whose great grandparents came to the USA from Canada in the late 1800′s. Then I thought, well, what about all the money slaveholders made using slaves to do all the back breaking work? Granted, it cost money to have slaves, and keep them.
    But it just does not sit well with me. And I’m sure not all slaveholders made a profit. But some did, huge sums of money. The passage of time will never make it right. Say a priceless piece of art was discovered somewhere that the Germans had looted during WWII. It shouldn’t be returned to it’s rightful owner (or their family..

  • http://www.granitegrok.com skip

    I agree that many slaveholders did make profits from their slave’s labors. I also agree that according to today’s societal norms, it is wrong (and many believed that to be true then and before that as well). I also agree that artwork, under the scenario you cite and if found, should be returned.
    However, I think your analogy breaks down with the artwork. Artwork is tangible; it is real property. It can be physically held or touched. Although the slaves were treated as property (immorally, I add), what was taken from them were the intangibles of which you speak – freedom and (in cases) family.
    This is a quandary – how do you compensate for the loss on behalf of those that are dead?
    The time that has passed is only part of the argument, not the entirety of it. If real property is taken from the rightful owners, it should be returned to the owners or to the owners’ descendants. How are intangibles to be restored?
    I agree with your assessment – there IS not good way to compensate those that actually suffered. Or perhaps the next generation as well. But at what point to we as a society, trying to become colorblind (as I feel we should), stop being guilty and stop trying to compensate for past wrongs? We have tried mightly, as a nation, to right what was wrong and continue to do so (in my opinion, far more than any other nation). However, at what point (to be politically incorrect) does it become counterproductive?
    Wrongs must be righted. We have had affirmative actions for decades now. Massive payments via social programs have been transferred to the many blacks left at the lowest rungs of our society. Some have taken that assistance and risen above it (the black middle class is growing quickly). Some have not (my feeling is that the Great Society, meant to rectify many of the wrongs, made the situation only worse). At what point are we done?
    IMHO, payments to those that are third, fourth, fifth, or more generations forward will not change things. You will probably have to try harder to convince me that paying such is a complete remedy given what has already been done.
    My main question still remains – how is it morally correct to force those that did not participate in slavery compensate those that have always had their freedom, life, and families?
    By the way – a comment on your citations: Righteous Judgement – John 7:14 – 24 is speaking to the issue the Law when the Pharisees were trying to attack Jesus for His acts on the Sabbath. Since he was a person that confounded the conventional wisdom of the “learned and studied” of His time, his speech in v24 is a rebuke to them of not doing the spirit of what is right and merely conducting the rituals of a hollow law (for if one forgets the real reason for the law, its meaning is indeed empty). Thus, he was rebuking the outlook of those same Pharisees. I do not believe that taking your cited verses out of context helps your argument here (although true in the general case), as those verses up to 7:51 continue in the same vein.
    However, the ending of your post does bring up something that we both agree on, but I really don’t quite really agree that they apply in directly answering to the question at hand. But I digress (and perhaps time for another, different Post!).

  • doug

    Perhaps the freed slaves’ descendants, after receiving their compensation, should, in turn, pay the descendants of the 10s of thousands of Union war dead who paid for their freedom with their lives? Where does it end?

  • Ken St. cyr

    Well, in response to both Skip and Doug, I believe it was the duty of our country to do what was done to free slaves, and it should have been done long before 1865.
    Our country is different, I believe, because of a document called the Bill of Rights. I would consider it “job #1″ of our government to protect the ones least able to protect themselves. I also find it difficult to believe that the author(s) of this document had slaves also. I guess blacks just were not considered men back then, and if this was true, it truely is sad.
    I would not consider my lineage or family history, gone forever, intangible. Would you? If, just after your birth Skip, your parents were taken and sold. Say 50 odd years pass. Are you saying that you wouldnt’t want anyone held responsible? Jury’s put dollar values on intangible items every day in this country.
    Also, I think we are combining welfare and compensation for decendants of slaves unfairly. They are two separate things.
    Lastly, my comment about passing judgement had nothing to do with my agrument, it had to do with your comment that the last thing you judge people on is skin color, I guess in order to prove the point you’re not a racist. I woud have taken you at your word had you simply stated such.

  • http://www.granitegrok.com Skip

    I think that we can all agree, from our position at yet-to-become-History, that slavery at any time or place is wrong.
    I also agree that our country IS different and IS better for having the Bill of Rights – a document that protects the citizens against their own government from assuming too much power or control. You are correct – slaves back then were not considered “men” – a blotch that stains but still does not detract from their genius embodied in our founding documents.
    I am trying to understand your next few points, I really am. I meant “intangible” in that it is a concept and not a physical thing (per definition). If my parents were taken, yes, I would want to hold someone responsible. If I had taken your parents, yes, you would want to hold me responsible.
    The problem is we are now into the 6th generation past that time. My ancestors had nothing to do with it. Why should people today be held directly responsible for what their ancestors did – six generations ago? How is that fair? Also how is it fair to those of us whose ancestors lived elsewhere at that time?
    Tell me – how would you handle the claim of slave reparations? Who would pay, and how would that disbursement be handed out? Remember, if this goes forward, could be a multi-trillion dollar process. Think carefully, for the lure of greed and the Law of Unintended Consequences will run amok.

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